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>>10204996
You know what's even more scary than death?
Knowing that death is a paradox, and that, by pure chance, you'll still be conscious even in a trillion years.

You're pure consciousness. You're beyond dualistic concepts like alive and dead. You can dream that you die, but that's only a temporary delusion.

>>10204996

>>10205035
Actually, you're not beyond it, and there is no soul.
It's simply physically impossible to die from your subjective perspective. You'll notice this soon enough.
You're forced to stay here f o r e v e r. Nobody can free you from this curse.

>>10204996
You forget about all the existential shit when you get a gf and friends. Money can get you those things. Trust me I used to not care about death and all of that shit before I turned into a crypto hermit.

Me too anon ;_ ;
Guro has given me some solace
Becoming intimate with concept of death
It almost make dying seem comforting
... almost

>>10205011
Explain how.

Does anyone know if you can write "do not sell" into your testament and make it binding?

>>10204996
OP once you don’t need to worry about money you have all the time to be spiritually enlightened.

Death isn’t so scary when you realize that it’s normal, and happens to all things that live. You can accept your place in the circle of life. The only scary part is thinking how painful it’ll be, but there’s no use worrying your whole life for a single moment.

As long as there is a desire to be reborn, you will be reborn. It's a vicious cycle which we must leave

>>10205228
even if you live the most peacefully you could and you don't hurt anyone in your life

there is a moment when you will suffer so much that your soul will leave your body and you will die

is there nothing or a life after death?

Fuck i'm scared

>>10205215
The mechanics behind this are basically impossible for me to convey, but that doesn't matter, since everyone will eventually realize how it works by themselves.
Once you "get it", it's really easy to understand why you can't die.
After all, you have an eternity to understand it.

>>10205246
You already managed to not exist for 13.72 billion years in this universe, and you got through that just fine.

>>10205215
I don't know what the fuck he's on about but it won't be trillions of years that you perceive. Think about the time before you were born, its the same as what happens when you die. There are no neurons firing that give you the illusion of consciousness. The certain arrangement of neurons and information stored in the brain are what make you 'you.' Eventually, in an unimaginable amount of years, you will exist again, but you won't have any memory or concept of anything before and between. You've probably existed an infinite amount of times, but you would never know. It just happens over and over again.

>>10204996
You shook.

Time to start living.

If you have enough money just get cryogenically frozen.
Pay them extra to freeze you while alive though, even if its illegal. Otherwise you're odds are a lot worse

>>10205504
This guy fucks

>>10205504
no i didnt

>>10204996
>not even money can save me from it.
I beg to differ

>>10205491
>I dont know

>>10205039
So are you and I somebody's genetic imprint?

>>10204996
>>10205011
Me to OP been like this for 10 years now

Faggot more scary tjejen death is living for 1 miljon years and literaly want to die

Give it a 100 years and everyone here will be dead. Kind of feels good to know that.

>>10205057
B u l l s h i t

>>10205035
this

>>10204996
It's a simulation, anon. You are not alive. Your consciousness is barely unique and only incrementally different from those most like you. Take solace in the knowledge that it will be more efficient to run the seed of your consciousness again, once your instance is done. "You" will not die, but there will be times when you no longer exist. "You" are a data structure.

>>10204996
Read heidegger on being in time

>>10205729
>The previous me's face when he's reborn as a weeaboo piece of shit NEET
Enjoy your stay faggo.

>>10204996
Are you sure about that anon? It might not prevent you from dying but you sure can delay it for a long time with enough money.

>>10205215
http://www.ctmu.org/

>>10206250
Oh yeah, because this definitely doesn't look like something /x/ would wank off to while high on LSD.

>>10205725
It's not easily explained in this particular plane of existance. Spoonfeed version

> Just bee yourself
> Just be immortal

I know how helpful that sounds, it doesn't matter.

>>10205057
>there is no soul.

Such a weird statement & I see it posted pretty often. Whether you believe the soul is mortal or immortal is another matter, I can understand that debate. But denying your own subjective, experiential conscious existence? Who the hell do you think is doing the denying brainlet?? "Nothing" apparently, kek. Holy fuck the 19th century shitty materialist meme has a lot to answer for. Next, some retard will say "Your life is pointless because some stuff is bigger than you" or something.

With AI immortality is potentially near. So money can save you from death in the future.

>>10206306
Nigger go play SOMA.
Sure is fun that you'll be dead but a copy of you will live forever.

If religion is real then atleast there's conciousness after life, if not then we are somehow immortal if the big bang theory is real because eventually we are reform in some way.

>>10204996

Being afraid of death was always strange to me. Why be afraid of something that will 100% guaranteed happen? Living to be 90, in constant pain while your memory and body fall apart slowly is much more frightening.

>>10204996
Sign up for cryonics. It only costs around 30k at the Cryonics Institute.

https://alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm
https://www.cryonics.org/about-us/faqs/
https://www.benbest.com/cryonics/CryoFAQ.html
https://www.cryonicscalculator.com/

>>10204996
>not even money can save me from it.
*blocks path*

http://www.sens.org/donate

>>10206610
Imagine being such a miserable autist you don't enjoy living.

>>10204996
>>10205057
>>10205215
>>10205011
There is a possibility that quantum immortality might be real. The basic idea is that if the many-worlds interpretation is correct, then "you" always survive in some realities no matter how slim of a chance it is, and your subjective stream of consciousness continues on forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsjrA87Cno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_b9UQoz6E

There's no limit to possibility. Anything can happen after you die. We might even be in an "afterlife" as we speak.

>>10206753
I thought of this when I was 12

Since the concept of not existing doesn't make any sense, that's how I reconcile being alive. It's gonna be fun when I hit 120.

>>10204996
Everybody dies. Enjoy life while you can.

When you die you are forced to post on 4chan until the end of times.

>>10206798
>Since the concept of not existing doesn't make any sense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_projection_fallacy

>>10204996
You probably aren't getting enough sleep. If i dont get a minimum 6-7 hours a night i start having existential thoughts.

>>10206839
Misanthropic bullshit, the day I die the universe will stop existing.

>>10206645
Came to post this.
In the worse case scenario, cryonics. I feel like it will be unncessary for people under 50 tough. What's coming in biological engineering , nanoengineering and science in general will allow us to choose when to die.

Islam will solve your problem

>>10206860
t. solipsist

>>10206834
>not forced to trade on binance with input lag

>>10204996
You ever think you're already there? Think about it. What could have just brought you to life? You did absolutely nothing. Maybe this IS absolutely nothing. Just not what you imagined it to be

>>10205011
Bro you can forget so there's not really anything to be afraid of

>>10206753
YOU can survive, but I dont think what we think we are can

>>10206753
So you're saying people born 200 years ago are alive still in some universe? that doesn't make any sense.

>>10205039
it doesn't work this way, that guy doesn't know shit

You make a contract before incarnating here to experience certain things. If it's not your time yet, and you haven't fullfilled your missions/learned your lessons you won't suddenly die, unless it's your decision. Also karma and all this shit. If you kill someone in this life, you might get the same person as your retarded child that you have to take care of and so on to resolve the issue

>>10206753
I once had a lucid dream there I was standing in the epicenter of some catastrophe. People around me were running away and I stood there like an idiot just out of curiousity if it kills me or not. Then some faggot came in and redpilled me about the nature of reality when I asked him what the fuck is this bullshit.
Quantum suicide is only partially the case, you can't exist in a physical body forever

Once you are conscious you cannot ever die EVER, your body will die but you are Eternal. your counsciousness is Eternal. we most likely created this world ourselves to experience a physicial world with physical laws because we were bored of being Eternal counsciousness. The best thing to do is to realise you wanted this, religion and shit like this are all lies to keep you in fear. you came here to experience and have fun basically. just do whatever the fuck you want and enjoy the world you created for your own entertainment. stop believing other people, they are enslaving you for their own profit.

>>10207121
>So you're saying people born 200 years ago are alive still in some universe?
Possibly, if quantum immortality is true. I have no idea of quantum immortality is actually real or not though.
>that doesn't make any sense.
Mind projection fallacy

>>10206234
It might prevent it a bit but it won't prevent or cure cancer or shit like that.
One of my friend is a Rothschild, and his - very fucking rich - mother sadly died of cancer recently. So yeah, you won't escape everything

>>10205232
imagine being reborn as a fucking pajeet...scares me more than death

>>10207204
Yeah, fuck that. I'd strangle myself with the umbilical cord before I was even be born.

>>10207156
>I have no idea of quantum immortality is actually
in quantum world if some said they understand quantum, they aren't but if someone said they don't understand what quantum is, they do understand what it is.

For those who don't want to die:
https://discord gg/DDpUqJh
https://discord gg/ftSbffu

benis

>>10204996
It's possible in your life time that money will be able to save you from death. We are not far from being able to edit the genetic code to produce continuous youth. Within the next 50 years it's likely to happen. It will probably be very expensive at first. Within a few generations it will be cheap and our problem will be understanding how to control population in a world where anyone who wants to live forever can.

>>10206335
>you'll be dead but a copy of you will live forever.
Research the Moravec Transfer. It's the only theoretical non-suicide mind uploading method.

>>10205011
fpbp

There will never be an end and there never was a beginning.

>>10204996
No one knows shit. Stop worrying and enjoy the moment, that's the only thing you'll ever have here.

>>10204996
see >>10205011

kill your ego: lsd, mushrooms, dmt
you will no longer fear death and realize (You) is just an illusion and that death is just a transition

I was expecting /biz/ to be full of fedora tipping atheists saying "le void of nothingness after death" but instead you guys have impressed me with your broad and educated perspectives.

Maybe crypto has something to do with it. Buying right before the fall 2017 bullrun and seeing my money multiply gave me this deep sense of derealization, that we are in a simulation (or a created world of physical laws, same thing really) created by a master architect, God.

>>10207633
I have done psychedelics and have experienced ego death, but I still think the idea that "I" am an illusion is stupid.

Stop using the word quantum for your religious delusions which are not grounded in any physical interpretation of quantum mechanics.

t. Physics Masters

>>10207713
Imagine having autism, this is really a quantum problem innit.

>>10207713
stop interpreting the world from secular physicality

>>10205557
Entropy debunks this entire post. Eventually there will be nothingness

>>10207130
This is pretty neat idea anon. Would be cool to believe this, I'm impressed.

Well, I believe science will master "immortality"and it might happen within our lifetime but it will be only affordable for the rich. By immortality, I mean you will be able to live for a really long time (maybe for several centuries) but you might cease to exist at some point. If you become a crypto millionaire by then, yes, money will save you from death. Well, at least for a few centuries. Don't underestimate science.

>>10208078
Fuck Thesseus, when will the humie develop artificial neurons.

>>10208078
Probably they will develop something like this during my life but I will be too poor to even think about it. Also, living so long would be pretty... Boring

Just accept that death cannot be understood and insert whatever hocuspocus you want to happen once you die. First of all realize that (((atheist))) don't know shit themselves and are pretty much deluding themselves when it comes to death or just push it away never making their peace, see TBC for reference. Science can't explain what happens to your mind after death, long ago when I was still interested in this stuff I found researchers who worked with the topic and the moment you die there is all sorts of hardcore brain activity and so on which cannot be interpreted, so try looking into that.

>>10208114
I'm not a science guy despite liking a few concepts of science so I can't answer that but read this: https://www.quora.com/Is-immortality-theoretically-possible
The first answer gives me hope.

>>10208116
Yes, I agree it would be boring but then I think about space travel and colonization. That's the only reason why I want to live so long. Also, I said it will would only for rich but that's theoretically speaking since all new technology is very expensive. You can travel to the moon in a few years but only if you have several millions, for example but maybe you will be able to afford it if you are still young

For all the people posting about cryonics, it’s very poor science. This is the potentially working version of it: https://nectome.com, but it is still very far from operational. In the meantime, I like to rely of my simplistic understanding of quantum immortality.

Whats the point of being reborn and having ever lasting consciousness if you wont remember your past self? If you cant remember what makes you "you", is it really you?

>>10207130
While this seems nice in theory, how do you explain evolution and how we weren't as "conscious" as before? Isn't it just an evolution of understanding?

>>10208300
Would you really want to remember all the shit that happened to you? Maybe there's a place where you could do that, but in this world I'd rather not know it, maybe that's the only way to be eternal without going insane.
Almost every mystical experience tells you that you isn't what you usually think you are, you aren't your body or memories, but something much more subtle and complex.

Someone on /sci/ was talking about that. Basically given no after life, humans can never experience death. Because let's say you very knocked out and die in a minute. After that minute is up you can't experience anything. So you never have experienced death.

>>10208375
But then how is it you if it happened to a past you? Your experiences on this earth make you.

>>10208390
Couldnt you technically experience dying though? Thats worse.

>>10208244
I read that when death of brain comes, just before it hallucination part of brain gets super active.

>>10208405
I'm to really sure how to answer that. If you experience some sort of amnesia, is it still you that had some experiences that you forgot, or a new one? Your ability to be aware of some experience didn't change no matter what your memories or body are.

>when you believe in reincarnation and look at death as a gift

>>10208506
>I'm to really sure
I'm not really sure

>>10208489
Imagine your brain making one second appear like hundreds of years the moment you die...living through your entire life again however you want to or something like. Does the brain ever actually forget things even when you have dementia and shit? Stuff like that seems plausible to me.

>>10208526
Oh yea, forgot to mention: I think dementia is scarier than death. You're basically a fucking zombie.

>>10208418
Ya but you'll be dead in the end, so it doesn't matter

>>10204996
I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory
When's it gonna get me? In my sleep or 7 feet ahead of me
If I see it coming do I run or do it let it be?
Is it like a beat without a melody?
See, I never thought I’d live past twenty
Where I come from some get half as many
Ask anybody why we livin’ fast and we laugh, reach for a flask
We have to make this moment last, that’s plenty

Scratch that this is not a moment, it’s the movement
Where all the hungriest brothers with something to prove went
Foes oppose us, we take an honest stand
We roll like Moses, claimin’ our promised land

>>10208567
But you'll be feeling it so it'll hurt man

>>10208579
I think when brain is sure you are dying, it doesn't make it difficult to experience.

>>10207906
boltzmann brains tho

>>10208078
Why would you want to live for centuries ? Constant fucking struggle for survival, same mundane shit over and over. I'm only 21 and already bored as shit and want to die. You come into this life, achieve the life goal you've set and after finishing your magnum opus cease to exist.

>>10208375
>Maybe there's a place where you could do that
past life regression hypnosis or astral projection. I know this shit is real, that's how they caught spies in soviet union using sleeper agents (basically subjects in a deep hypnotic trance). There are high ranking officials from kgb and russian military talking about this as well as US, but noone seems to give a shit.
You can get any information this way, past, present or future even (harder due to large amount of possibilities because of free will). You can read Dolores Cannon books if interested as an example of what kind of information could be obtained

>>10208868
I don't believe in anything except few basic assumptions. If experienced something, so be it, but I have no experience with things you listed, and no amount of reading will make me believe in it, although it could indeed be real.

You can't experience death, because to experience something you need to be alive and consciously thinking.

When you die there is nothing, it's like when you go to sleep but never remember what you dream. People who die and come back describe it as that as well.

>>10208868
Just because you are miserable doesn't mean everybody is.

Is there even any REAL point in living? I'm unironically depressed and often have thoughts of commiting sudoku. I tell myself there's no point in killing myself now -- I can do that at ANY point in my life, but why now? Might as well live through the shit times, death won't bring me anything, just nothingness... but at the same time, I struggle to find a purpose and meaning in the continuation of my life.

>>10208927
I didn't beleive it too at first. I was a total fedora atheist just 2 years ago. But you know, when you regress hundreds of people and they all give the same information about weird shit topics they couldn't possibly know anything about, like atlantis, god source or some other shit, that suddenly doesn't seem like bullshit anymore.

>>10208960
well have fun living like an animal, stuffing food down your throat, fucking tinder whores and worrying about where to get survival money from for thousands of years

>>10208959
That you can't "experience" death is such a redundant observation like holy shit. What's scary is being in a state of never being able to experience ANYTHING ever again FOREVER. Compared to that your life is fucking nothing and don't you think it would suck to never experience anything new every again? Or even the same thing, I can just lie myself in the grass under the sun and feel content. Can't do that when I am dead, shit sucks desu. Now let's assume you reincarnate and can do things, experience life again, but it's kinda wasted, because you just don't remember already having experienced these things that would also suck. That's why people think it's scary to die, you lose yourself, all your memories and there is no tomorrow to continue being yourself, making your own memories, doing your own thing. Fuck I just hope souls are real and contain all these information so I can live again someday and continue with my own memories.

>>10209067
>because I'm smarter and more interesting than you juiced up muscleheads. Have you ever seen a macho scientist? You probably haven't seen a scientist at all. I don't smell. The only reason you get all the girls is because you lie to them. You fool them and then break their hearts. That's not how men behave. In fact, you're not real men in more ways than one. You secretly lust after eachother. You look at naked men, you slap eachother in the ass, and you lift weights because you think that's manly. Being honest with yourself and others is what's real manly. Not naked oiled men. But I don't mind much because you'll get what's coming to you. My life is like a Hollywood movie and will have a Hollywood movie ending. I'll get the girl and you'll get smacked. Have fun getting a job in a factory after people like me automate them.

>>10209067
I'm not an atheist (although I used to be a fedora materialist as well), but I don't think how would that help me. Whatever is true I can only know through my own experience, I don't know how believing in something like past life regression would help me. Maybe some day I'll try to go through the hypnosis myself, but I don't really care about that now.

>>10208526
What if this life is the "death moment"

>>10204996
There is only one thing you can do, face your fears, kill yourself.

this is the most interesting thread since months

>>10208959
>>10208959
Can vouch
Have never "died" persay but have lose consciousness from blood loss many time!
Every single time was only aware of lose consciousness after fact. Even when knew it comming and focusing on last moments!

Everything just sorta goes blank, and huge pressure feeling going out of head. When awake very thinking same exact things as when passed out and not even aware lost consciousness until someone told me

This part of dying very comfy to me!
The fact was never even aware lost consciousness mercy of universe

It seems more possible to me that life is created by which ever beings be it all a simulation or a creation of our divine consciousness. That however begs the question how did it all start?
Life is far too strange with psychedelic experiences, lucid dreams, near death experiences and astral projections to be taken lightly or seen as atheists see it.
>>10209547
lel

>>10204996
Make money and fund immortality research.
Actually something I'd like to do.

>>10209958
This

http://www.sens.org/donate
https://intelligence.org/donate/
https://lifeboat.com/ex/donations#form
http://www.cryonics.org/donate/
https://alcor.org/donate/donate.html

>>10204996
I plan on living for at least 300 years.

>>10209094
The other dude deserved a callout but come on, the amount of revenge you're looking for is absurd and he really makes you look like a bitch, he shouldn't hurt you that much.

>>10207126
kys christcuck

Death is sleep and sleep is death. If you were to sleep through the night without a single dream, 8 hours would pass in the blink of an eye. You lay your head on the pillow and an instant later you wake up to a new day. You don't know what happened during the night. That's what death is except you don't wake up. Goodnight. Forever.

>>10204996
You should accept Christ, anon. Here's how:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

>>10207130
> believing other people
So you created them as well?

Other than that, this is what I believe. You are me.

Zen saying:
>Do not worry about death until the end and you will save yourself a lifetime of worry.

Fuck I missed this whole thread because I was wage cucking someone give me a rundown

>>10207121
First you have to understand the size of things!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1mkjkTqg0Y

>>10211954
we are immortal

>>10211954
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4632646.msg41870633#msg41870633

>>10206633
>yfw satoshi nakamoto is in there
>yfw in the year 3000 he will be reborn and be the richest guy in the universe

>>10204996
>2018
>he doesn't intend to be so fabulously wealthy that he can transfer his consciousness into a virtual reality even truer to the real world
>making it

>>10208806
>>10205557

Okay what the fuck is happening. I found out about the concept of Boltzmann brains and infinitely waking up and dying after death last night. I literally just got done frantically Googling it for hours after getting home from work, then I come on here and this is the first thread I saw.

I'm tripping out.

>>10207058
This was my ultimate catharsis in my panic. I kept thinking that the cycle of dying/waking up/dying would be terrifying. Then I remembered that I have just as much chance of developing advanced Alzheimers and being completely unaware of my surroundings - in which case I won't even really be the me I am now. I have little doubt that whatever the inner "me" is will continue after my death... but I won't be aware of it, so whatever. Maybe that's what reincarnation is. Maybe time loops and I will wake up as an infant again, with no recollection. Maybe I will enter a plain of existence with infinite happiness. My biggest fears are boredom and regret, but both of those have physical explanations, and with a sophisticated enough medical procedure I could have those emotions removed from my brain - no reason to think an eternity of consciousness will happen.

>>10207121
People who were born 200 years ago never existed.

>>10206610
We're just programmed to be afraid of death, so that we can keep on living. Once you look past that, then you won't be afraid of death.

>>10212520
Consider the following: Death is an eternity of pain, torment, and fear, because that would be the maximum deterrent to dying, which is favourable for evolution. I think people tend to assume peace is the natural state after death, but I worry it's torment.

>>10207503
Let's be vampires
In infinite parallel universes there is one where ops cock got bit by a vampire therefore vampires hurr

I think about life and death a lot. Probably has something to do with my high IQ. I cant imagine the possibility of nothingness, but at the same time being alive for eternity seems scary. I refuse to not believe in God, that wouldnt be possible for all of this to come from nothing. So in that case I believe God has prepared a place for believers that is amazing, and we cant even fathom what the afterlife is like. It would be like an ant trying to fathom an internal combustion engine. I try to have strong faith but at times I just ponder it all and it stresses me out a little.

>>10211961
Satoshi san
Pamp Bitcoin plese

>>10212618
wtf? brainlet

>>10213060
and why would this God care about which humans believe in "him" (God has a binary human gender?). you realize how small this fucking planet is right?

>>10206753

>Tfw in some universe Hitler won and created a glorious new Age of Aryan beauty
>Tfw colonising the stars with my brother's

Feels good but also sad bros.

>>10211954
Everyone on /biz/ is crazy

>>10209761
That sounds terrifying desu sempai wtf is wrong with you?

>>10214094
YOU would not be a part of that, fatass ameritard

>>10204996
“psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy” is a thing for terminally ill people. many lose their fear of death.

>>10207633
Its not necessarily a good experience for some people. I have experienced ego death while looking at the mirror while extremely high on weed and since then my mind always leans to a sort of nihilistic mode. i dont fear death, but i do fear the randomness aspect of after death. Tbqh im still surprised how i managed to not kill myself during that experience but, as i said before, it can be a better experience based on each persons mentality

>>10210884
It was just a pasta my man