/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12373761

> The free market exists since the day two cavemen exchanged an arrow one of then made for a duck the other one hunted. Private property exist since one of them put a fence around his cave. Socialism only exists with a government oppressing its population.

Please define your terms. Namely, socialism and free market.

I'll define mine. Socialism: The workers own the means of production. Any market where more than 50% of the means of production are owned by the workers is a socialist market. All markets have elements of socialism. Public Libraries, roads and municipal utilities are all socialist in nature. Worker-owned cooperatives are also examples of socialism.

Socialism =/= the government does stuff

Free Market: a market without state intervention.

Even in predominantly private markets large corporations that gain hegemony over their industrial sector--not always in the form of monopoly, central banks are an example of this tendency in finance--will assume the form of a state even if they don't call themselves one and subsequently interfere in market dynamics.

Free markets have never existed, all markets are mixed and there is no magic ideal that dictates reality whether that be in the form of a free market or a planned market. We can only tip the balance in one direction or another.

Free Market =/= money does stuff

Market socialism: the means of production are owned by the workers and exchange is mediated by the market. No central planning need be present, only democratic ownership and administration of businesses.

I would write more, but this thread is starting to die and I've got other stuff to do. Unpacking the rest of your very low effort statements isn't worth the payoff.

Not a tankie btw, I'm a libertarian market socialist that falls under the social anarchist school of thought.

I'm as far from a marxist leninist as you can get without being right-wing.

Also, not a Stirnerite but I love this image.

>>12005943

Well, the moment you start implying I might be a troll is the moment the discussion becomes unproductive.

If I were shitposting there wouldn't be nearly as much effort and the images I post would be akin to pic related.

I'm not a Stirnerite if anyone is wondering. But Stirnerites do make some good memes.

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