/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9589160
>What personal benefit is it to them to own the means of production if apparently they're not consuming a lot of resources anyways?
Son, listen, and listen carefully.
Take all of the consumer goods consumed by the capitalists in 10 years vs all of the consumer goods consumed by the working class in 10 years.
The capitalists would have consumed less than 1% of all goods produced in the economy.
A single capitalist consumes what looks like a lot of resources(big house, cars, yachts etc) so personally to that individual capitalist they are benefiting a lot. But when you take the total number of resources consumed by the capitalist class, vs the working class, it's incredibly small. There is such a small number of capitalists so in comparison to what the working class consumes it's a drop in the bucket.
How then is it possible to get "surplus value" back from the capitalists, if the working class consumes 99% of the end products of what they produce?
HOW?
They LITERALLY CANNOT.

>Yes tell that to the tens of millions of Americans who die because they can't afford health insurance.
LMAO WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? HOLY SHIT YOU'RE DUMB
First of all USA healthcare system is expensive because it's a bureaucratic government mess. Healthcare used to be cheap as fuck in the USA in the 50s/60s back when it was much more of a free market.
Countries with government healthcare just ration their care leading to lack of care. Look at the NHS.
Switzerland and singapore have privatized healthcare but they have more of a market system than the USA so their healthcare is much cheaper.

This is an ENTIRELY different conversation though because the point is that the working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods, if you took rich people's wealth and gave it to the working class it would just cause massive inflation.
It doesn't matter the good, healthcare, food, clothing, the same thing applies.

The working class would get NOTHING from doing this.

>>9542290
>>9542514
>>9542153
Reminder that the government is the reason healthcare is crazy expensive in the USA, not the free market.

>>6810673
>Just checked I can get 10ml epitalon vials pretty easily. Would cost about £250 every 6 months. Which is like a days trade in shitcoins.
Just make sure you get it from a good supplier.

>>6810698
>Thank you so much. You may have unironically changed the course of my life.
NP.
You can look on that selfhacked website for information on some of the things I'm talking about.
Also to thank me, you should become a libertarian or at least support free markets in some sense. If USA has a free market in healthcare, prices would be extremely cheap and all of these treatments would be available to the masses pic related.

Reminder that healthcare used to be cheap in the 50s/60s/70s in USA before the government intervened and started controlling everything.
The price should be coming DOWN, not up.

>>6693354
READ something for once in your life

>>6691200
>die from something preventable
If we had free markets they wouldn't die because these treatments

>thanks free markets
We currently don't have free markets now, dummy.
See pic.

Socialists and people who support socialized healthcare need a bullet in the fucking head.

>>6691211
>muh new drugs are super unsafe meme
Most of the things have already been tested, just not by the corrupt FDA

>>6472659
>I remember back when I fell for the Ron Paul kool-aid.
You were never a supporter of Ron Paul.
You're a liar.

>1. The biggest problem today is stagnant wages which is caused by corporations not wanting to increase wages since wages mean less profit.

There isn't real economic growth, there is just inflation and malinvestment. Of course wages aren't going to increase.

>2. The next 2 big problems are cost of college and healthcare which is caused by the free market increasing prices because they can.
This is so hilariously fucking wrong and PROVES you were never a supporter of Ron Paul and didn't listen to a single fucking word he said.
These things are expensive because they are NOT a free market.
A free market would cause the price of these cartelized industries to fall through the floor.
Before the government started intervening and controlling these industries prices used to be incredibly cheap. Look how cheap healthcare was in the 50s and 60s before the government took over. Pic related.

In a free market prices are set by supply and demand, not simply by the seller.
Holy shit, you're economically retarded

>3. If we let the banks go under, it would have crashed the entire world economy.
Good, then it would have restructured on solid ground like has happened in every single fucking example of this in history.
Why do you think this worked in iceland?
Why do you think this worked in 1920 in USA?
>b-buh muh great depression
caused by fed reserve money printing and massive government interventionism
fixed after ww2 when spending, taxes and regulations were cut
>Fed printing money is a good thing. Without inflation, people would hodl dollars like bitcoin and it would mess up the economy.
>hehe dude it's good that almost everyone in the economy gets reduced purchasing power because muh coins go up
If we had a free market, cryptos would be the de facto currency and EVERYONE's purchasing power would increase, not just us.
Also deflation is GOOD

>>6419465
Healthcare is expensive because the government controls the market.

It didn't used to be this way.

>>5753146
Honestly, the idea that america has a free market in healthcare is probably the biggest fucking lie out there.

It's incredible people this fucking dumb exist.
Especially when healthcare was extremely cheap and affordable in the 50s and 60s.
Holy shit.

>>1897830
>free market privatized healthcare plan
It's fucking unbelievable leftists are lying THIS hard.

Just kill yourself. How many times does your system have to fail for you to admit you were wrong?

Why is healthcare so expensive in america?

Lets get the price down to near pennies by deregulating, not letting these fascists take over the system.

It's absolutely sadistic we haven't privatized healthcare COMPLETELY in america.

We need the price to come down and medical innovation to dramatically increase.

>>194288
>The broken window fallacy would apply if the govt broke a bridge in order to fix it again.
No, the government destroyed wealth by stealing money from the people which could have been spent on actual economic production, instead it was wasted on a bridge or road the people may or may not use.

>>wants to bring back groups that could deny anyone health care at any point in order to replace a system that by law wouldn't allow this

>want's people to be forced to pay 25% of what they earn to a bunch of genocidal psychopaths monopolizing everything to do with healthcare(and destroying almost all medical innovation) instead of having a system where people can voluntarily choose what kind of very very inexpensive, quality healthcare they want for themselves.

Kill yourself.

>I shouldn't be laughing so hard at this
Lol don't be so mad that you were dead wrong.

>that entire freedumb loving website is full of comedic material.
Oh god the projection, where the fuck are my sides.