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Arguments for Jesus:
1.1 There existed a historical Jesus in some form. (The historical evidence is overhelming and to deny his existence in any form is akin to denying the existence of Alexander or Ceasar.)
1.2 This Jesus was not just a "good moral teacher"
- claimed to be able to forgive sins
- claimed to have supreme judgement over others
- claimed to have supreme authority over others
- claimed to return after death
1.3 Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or the Lord.
1.3 A Jesus was a liar:
- According to human nature we only lie if we think to gain from it. Jesus was martyred for his "lies" and never dropped the act. Additionally he kept all his "lies" straight over the course of his life.
1.3 B Jesus was a lunatic
- If Jesus was a lunatic why was he able to argue with the pharisses in the temple so well. Why are his words so consistent? Why was he able to amass so many fallowers? Why didn't the Romans pronounce him a lunatic?
1.4 Jesus is who he claims to be.

Everything that is not encompassed in the liar, lunatic, lord-trilema just shifts the same arguments on the apostles.
Instead of one liar, twelve existed who were all martyred for a lie they had no reason to keep.
Instead of one lunatic, twelve existed that suffered from the same mass dillusion and kept the story straight for the rest of their lives.
Since the Arguments for God created the possibility of a metaphysical realm, Jesus being Lord is not an impossible explanation.

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