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I don't know if it will happen but if it isn't completely unconditional and universal, basic income will make the world worse. Welfare traps already exist that force people to stay on welfare because any job they can land will actually lower their income and make them lose vital services like healthcare. Conditional welfare also creates bureaucratic bloat that is designed to be inefficient and victimize the poor.

Even Donald Trump gets a check, if basic income is a right it must be opt out and treated like one. Doing this would decouple the puritan reverence for largely pointless labour from the need to survive and slowly combat the rise of neo-feudal managerialism. It would also decrease state power by removing the red tape currently intertwined with welfare programs.

Again, conditional basic income will make the world even worse than it already is. Conditional = more bureaucracy and oppression. Unconditional = liberty and efficiency. The book has way more to it than this, but read Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber if you're interested anon.

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Speaking as the socialist in the thread again.

I have heard Marxian economists describe the current central banking hegemony as socialism for the rich. If this order of economics is permitted to keep existing a neofuedal economy will eventually arise out of it.

Currently the economy only has an overlay of managerial feudalism draped over the skeleton of industrial capitalism. The transition isn't complete yet which is why some upward mobility (although increasingly less and less so) still exists between economic classes and why the private sector is filled with so much senseless bureaucracy.

Although, I'd not go as far as to say there's no such thing as capitalism and that it's only a construct created by tankies.

Firstly, there were socialists far before their were marxist-leninists. Ricardian Socialism predates Marx and Adam Smith did a lot of the theoretical work that laid the foundation for socialist thought. This is so much the case that there is even a branch of socialist thought called Smithian Socialism.

Secondly, if you see an apple fall from a tree and call the phenomena gravity does that mean that gravity is just a human construct? Or does that mean that the word "gravity" is how we describe and relate to our observation of the phenomena?

Finally, a truly free market would have more elements of democratic market socialism than we do now. The only reason workers didn't run their own factories in 19th century America is because everytime they tried to claim the value they created the state used military force to stop them. A free market without state intervention has more socialist elements than capitalist ones.

The same can be said for copyright for that matter. Copyright is a state intervention preventing the free market from functioning. Copyright also impedes scientific progress by creating inefficiency and barring access to information via licencing. In the creative fields it prevents people from iterating on artistic works too.

"Is actually a bleeding heart liberal in denial"

One day you'll all join the dark side, I still hang out here occasionally. But desu, you were all a tad more fun before it became vogue to worship our cheeto encrusted overlord of a president.

Liberals are super racist too, they're just more subtle about it lads.

With all that said, the boomer memes were top notch chan culture, can't get enough of that shit.

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