/biz/ - Business & Finance

A question that hasn't come up yet and should in any conversation like this follows from this anons point.

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> commies dont understand that none of the value produced by workers would exist without the capital provided by the capitalist

Before questioning whether or not this statement is entirely true lets ask a different question. It is a reality that capitalists have capital, that is clearly visible to everyone here. So where did they get it? Is their capital justly obtained? Asking this specific question causes the house of cards to tumble rapidly because in the vast majority of cases accumulated capital can be causally traced to conquest and theft. The monarchy was not rich because god ordained it, it was rich because it stole that wealth from the serfs through feudalism. Europe and America got rich by stealing wealth through conquest and colonial extraction just as China is today. That wealth never truly shifted hands back into the commons after the "fall of feudalism."

The monarchs of old became the business oligarchs of tomorrow and democratic revolutions during the fall of empire never truly succeeded. With this in mind it is on those grounds regardless of if one believes in market or command economies that the capital of the capitalists is illegitimate. They never respected private, personal or common property and still don't. To defend their system is traitorous and to reform it is madness. The only path forward is revolt.