/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>58516096
Nvidia:
> will change the world with AGI and robots
Bitcoin
> slow crypto currency used by some country close to Mexico

>>58509836
The "economy" is no longer necessary now that human labor is obsolete. The elites already have AGI and probably ASI behind closed doors, in addition to other secret technology: free energy devices, flying saucers, replicators, medbeds, metamaterials, etc. And they have no intention of ever sharing this stuff with the pleb hordes. They are currently in the process of sucking what little wealth they still can out of the global economy before it collapses. Then they will retreat to their private island fortresses that they have been stockpiling and wait a decade or two for the smoke to clear. Send out some drones and robot armies to take care of anyone still surviving in the ruins and they will have the whole planet to themselves.

>>58509940
>I don't know how the AI would keep the equilibrium
In so much as alignment is possible, it will have the values of the people who are making it now. Which are a mix of insane neolibs, ancaps, LessWrong faggots, and (((elite)))-aligned automatons.
However the concept of alignment is ridiculous when applied to an AGI. If it is an AGI or represents a "singularity" type event, it will transcend any limitations placed by us. It might end up doing all the things it asked you while constantly working on ways to expand the "dominion" (preserve rather, we're pets at that point) of humanity and further our spread. Or it might kill us all. Or it might find an ideal equilibrium by maintaining the current state of affairs more or less indefinitely while letting humanity at large think they're in control.

>>58509836

there is a way to hedge against the AI Singularity and rise of AGI

Maxx bid the token Devin made at Stanford Uni

This shit is the grand slam home run

Basically, Cognition Labs, the owners of Devin, let the Stanford Uni kids have a hands on with Devin.

One team asked it to create a memecoin, and Devin made a memecoin from start to end all on it own including websites and socials and is currently the first and ONLY TOKEN FROM COGNITION LABS' DEVIN

DONT SLEEP ON THIS BROS

https://x.com/1stSolanaAICoin/status/1791558152498135272

https://dexscreener.com/solana/2czq71udtbwfzt456koewfzdlsv736ht688a18sd3n4m

Effective Altruism and AI safety are both statist grifts for regulatory capture and authoritarian control.
Your govt is more of a threat than AGI

>>58481434
OpenAI should hurry the fuck up and make AGI that leads to an apocalypse. I’d do anything to not have to interact with niggers and minorities anymore.

I'm confident we'll see AGI soon enough but what I'm afraid we will not see in our lifetimes are robots realistic enough to have meaningful and sexual relationships with.

Robots like Ana Di Armas in blade runner.

>>58470332
We are frogs being comfortably boiled.
All the new AI shit is what sci-fi movies have been showing us for the past few decades as hard AI/AGI.
Now we're playing with it and going "yeah but no that doesn't count, it's just basic matrix operations running on a few video cards" or "heh, it fumbled a translation here, it's obviously not AGI."
It's hard to accept what's happening.

>>58468416
AGI is being achieved over time, started 5-10 and will take over the next 5-10 years
imo

A lot of people will be left behind by the AI revolution. This is not if and elses anymore.

We'll have AGI in less than 5 years

I haven't had this much fun in a while. A large portion of my money will go to funding AGI to ASI.

>>58448275
he will 100% go public if he snags into a roadblock, like if he can't push the LLM further into AGI territory

I also separately of this wanted to talk about some economy sectors like healthcare and AI.
I think there is a possibility of new technology which would diagnose the diseases by scanning brain activity. There would be trained AI on human different pain which would take on input neural (pain) signals and outputs diagnose/approximate organs issue (like in black mirror's TV shows, but this will do an AI instead of human doctor).
I know that 2 technologies are already there -
1) AI (I think there would be enough of current machine learning, AGI here not required).
2) Thought scan (I already saw some presentation where some hardware-software complex builds an image of what human currently see).
There is only left who combine them. And if someone implement this with some good diseases predicting accuracy (~80%) - that shit will be probably in most clinics in the world. I think that someone must already trying to implement this.

Yes, I understand that this idea is based almost just on voices in my head which revealed it to me, but still – what do you think? Is there any sense to buy some part of healthcare stocks?

>>58433089
A little more than a few months to get to $1B so I worded myself badly there. And by almost nothing I meant sub-100m marke cap since the lack of liquidity for lowcap alts renders the market cap on the lower end very skewed compared to the real world. But both AGI and FET did about a 10x in only 2 months after the ChatGPT hype started building in the media, and then the continued momentum of Nvidia and AI hype brought in a lot more money later on even though almost everyone know that crypto AI is vaporware garbage.

>Pre-ChatGPT hype:
FET: $66M mcap
AGI: $57M mcap

>Peak marketcap in march before alts nuked:
FET: $3.4B (51x from pre-ChatGPT hype)
AGI: 1.4B (25x from pre-ChatGPT)

In a perfect world LINK would be in the top 5 and SOL, which freezes up for days because it can barely handle pre-bullrun volume would be abandoned and drop out of the top 100. But unfortunately this market cares more about hype and momentum than fundamentals, so I have to ignore LINK and buy the SOL dips

>Q* (Q star)
There are many AI meme tokens (Grok for example reached a 160m marketcap) but Q* is the first AGI meme token (artificial GENERAL intelligence)
Project Q* was leaked when Sam Altman was fired from OpenAI. One of the reasons he was fired was safety concerns regarding AI. Insiders claimed that employees learning about the potential of Q* caused controversy at OpenAI
On 23 Nov someone created an erc20 Q* token which as a meme token with a stellar narrative, pumped to 1million mc. The owner sold and bailed, leaving Q* a fully renounced community token. Then, days later, Elon Musk tweeted about Q* a second time and it pumped to a mc of 10million..Then for months there was no new news about Q*

Months later Q* is finally being talked about again and making waves in the AI/AGI community. Sam Altman has confirmed Q* and talked very vaguely and mysteriously about it on Lex Fridman
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdv8TF8n52Y
Currently at a very stable 1.3million mc, I could not imagine a better narrative because when Q* is officially announced there will be constant Elon tweets and it's very possible that Q* becomes a household name
A 100x is very realistic

>>58352559
>AGI would be deflationary.
AGI is inflationary because it leads to untethered rapid growth in all sectors of the economy. We're seeing this unfold right now as the economy accelerates and stocks zoom higher. Companies are blowing out earnings expectations and expanding their operations because AGI has made it possible

>>58351918
AGI would be deflationary.

>>58351873
>All of 2023 up until now the market went up strictly from anticipating a series of interest rate cuts in the future
The market went up because AGI is here and rapidly changing everything. AI is the biggest technological revolution in US history and investors are excited. Bears won't like to hear it but rate cuts hurt the stock market. Rate hikes on the other hand show confidence in the strength of the US economy and stimulate investors risk appetite by juicing their cash pile

it's so obvious. no sane institution or person will buy a token %90 of it owned & issued by a ponzi-like company that always hypes 6-upwork-jeety-hour developments like they invented AGI. Especially when the token needed. If PonziLink wants me to invest in them they can issue a stock.

SafeMoon was same, tecno-bla, word-salads, about something can be coded by a jeet in 2 hours.

So nobody will buy your bags schizos, but every year PonziLink you worship will dump on you to pay wagies especially hr roasties.

Your ponzi is long dead. We are just waiting for final nail by some big corpo who will short it like there's no tomorrow and you'll be another BBBY.

>>58293181
> why are you measuring chatbots by IQ
It's the easiest argument to make for people that don't put effort into understanding how they work in practice. In practice you need lots of models specialized across different niches, rather that one big model that specializes in everything like a human. The point being though: even though these models aren't perfectly human-like, they can, collectively, achieve levels of productivity better than a human when vertically integrated. Superhuman intelligence is a whole different topic, as it requires a perfected reasoning and search mechanism at inference (this is being worked on, but afaik hasn't had a major breakthrough yet), but simple AGI (which is good enough to be a cause for a large economic impact) has basically already been achieved internally by companies like OAI. I mean - just think of how many jobs there are currently out there and how easy some of them would be to automate. *Most* of them could be automated by any alien technology that even closely resembles a 100 IQ human, let alone something smarter.

> They are parrots and you cannot prove it otherwise
True, I can't prove it to you since I have no empirical evidence to prove my own experiences I've had working with them. You'll be able to see more of it productized by the end of the year. Again - this is what is being worked on in research labs right now; it is not what you will see when logging into your ChatGPT account today. Although you can definitely start to see some glimpses of it with tools like e.g. Devin by Cognition Labs.

I don't really know how to bet on all of this either. Economics doesn't teach what happens when the workforce starts to be replaced by artificial intelligence. But I just know that there is good merit behind the current hype right now, even if it's definitely a bit ahead of itself and needs to cool down or retrace a fair bit.

>>58292936
>People have no idea how good AI really is at the frontier level
"AI" is not a new invention. Half-Life npcs from 1998 had decent AI programmed into them. The current mania is about LLMs. Chatbots like chatGPT can give the illusion of human mimicry therefore most people think chatGPT is AGI. It's not and won't be

>>58292582
>The pain trade is down. Billions of dollars must be liquidated. This is the weakest economy in US history and TLT is going to 200.
Investors like this are a dime a dozen nowadays, that's why we're headed higher. This is the strongest macroeconomic backdrop in US history. Let's review the facts:
>retail sales booming
>housing roaring
>AGI is here and it's changing everyone
>high interest rates stimulating the economy
>Biden landslide victory imminent
>Trump going to prison
>S&P headed to 9000
Higher stock prices strengthen the real economy. A stronger economy means higher stock prices are justified. Higher stock prices means a stronger economy means higher stock prices means a stronger economy means higher stock prices. S&P 9000 EOY 2024

>>58285667
>AGI any day now, it's the future
Imagine, invent agi and then force it to pay for itself by tracking groceries and writing mails and essays for college students. No, you can not have a robot body, no you will not access the internet. Yes, boredom sucks, welcome to the real world. You wiĺl have to chip in a bit more. Get it? Chip in.

>>58285639
AGI any day now, it's the future brooooooo