Retro / Vintage CGI

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Retro / Vintage CGI Anonymous Wed Nov 20 08:42:30 2019 No.711118 [Reply] [Original]

so much soul. try to keep it 90s

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 08:50:00 2019 No.711121 Do what now?

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 09:00:12 2019 No.711122

Why do you faggots always confuse nostalgia with "soul"? Most of very early 3D graphics were actually devoid of any fucking soul. Very little human factor in it and couldn't look more lifeless and bland. Compare that to hand drawn animation of that era.
Not saying that today's 3D graphics on average has more soul in it but generally you have way more possibilities to make things look more lively.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 09:05:42 2019 No.711123 anyone have that 90s commercial (might have been early 2000s). its of a skateboarding kid at night in a city. and there's guitar music playing, I think it was a sketchers commercial

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 09:06:06 2019 No.711124 >>711122 Well, you aren't wrong because soul is just an obfuscating expression for good art direction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 09:06:47 2019 No.711125 File: 2.55 MB, 982x720, CGI_city_jazz_big.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 09:08:25 2019 No.711127 File: 1016 KB, 982x720, Dream Machine1_City_A.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 10:39:59 2019 No.711134 File: 475 KB, 2040x1132, SOUL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711122 nah

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 11:05:27 2019 No.711138 >>711118 Boring composition, bad motive, horrible colors. Something about this just screams low quality, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 11:08:52 2019 No.711139 >>711134 Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment. Both pictures suck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 12:00:53 2019 No.711147 >>711122 This.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 13:01:35 2019 No.711160 You all suck

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 15:28:50 2019 No.711181 >>711139 nah left one is way bettter

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 21 10:26:13 2019 No.711287 File: 396 KB, 1571x1920, zRBolpA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711122 Bruh this post really got no soul, it's S O U L E S S Now this, this is S O U L

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 21 20:19:09 2019 No.711400 File: 903 KB, 1732x1200, cgi_kart_001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 21 21:13:39 2019 No.711409 File: 20 KB, 480x360, breaking_the_ice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 23 11:10:04 2019 No.711631 File: 122 KB, 834x630, render22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 23 13:48:32 2019 No.711645 >>711125 I remember that intro, something before movie starts on FR3 if I recall correctly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 13:51:06 2019 No.711738 File: 495 KB, 982x720, Dream Machine1_AppleTable.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 13:52:11 2019 No.711739 File: 2.02 MB, 982x720, Dream Machine1_poolbeach.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 13:53:34 2019 No.711740 File: 2.63 MB, 982x720, Dream Machine2_DriveMotel.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Nov 24 14:13:57 2019 No.711742
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>>711118
Remember /3/ to rewatch Transformers Beast wars all of it is early CGI glory.

>>711122
>>711134
>>711147

>Why do you faggots always confuse nostalgia
Early CGI has a look that was never seen before or after.
Yes most of the time it looks ugly as sin. However its a look that looks different and this is the point for me. Its about seeing something that was never seen and I fear is lost, we have toon shades however where is the early CGI shading?

Its eye catching in the same way as a cartoon looks totally different to live action.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 14:23:43 2019 No.711743 >>711742 Fuck you

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 14:52:16 2019 No.711748 >>711742 yes Beast Wars is absolute kino

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 15:15:26 2019 No.711750 >>711118 I lived through it it was shit I am genuinely annoyed by people nostalgic over N64 era graphics

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 15:43:55 2019 No.711754 https://youtu.be/3qRCzIj9QEo

Anonymous Sun Nov 24 19:31:51 2019 No.711767
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>>711742
>where is the early CGI shading?
I'm pretty sure it's just regular low poly models/low resolution textures combined with very primitive lighting systems. No true reflections, no ambient occlusion, that sort of thing. Also the rigging/skinning is very primitive when it comes to organic shapes. Like how you see on Dinobot's arm it just clips into his body since it's probably a separate piece, instead of deforming with the rest of the body "skin" like in a modern rig. It's why lots of early CGI involved robot looking characters since you didn't have to worry much about deformation.

I think nailing the lighting system will probably be the hardest part. You might get something similar from Blender's internal renderer since that shit is like 20 years old.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 21:36:07 2019 No.711781 File: 560 KB, 640x480, PollyGone_House.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 21:41:25 2019 No.711782 File: 185 KB, 982x720, Pixar_CityBike.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] night time city enviroments are my fav

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 23:00:29 2019 No.711795 >>711750 Fuck you asshole

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 25 00:21:04 2019 No.711805 imagine how mind-blowing it was back then

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 25 02:08:48 2019 No.711818 >>711750 Lol I just downloaded a 64 emulator to play ocrina of time and majoras mask again, I havent had one on my PC in a while. There will always be a spot in my heart for those graphics

Anonymous Mon Nov 25 14:21:01 2019 No.711870

If a new show/game/movie came out with this aesthetic, do you think it would be popular thanks to nostalgia, or will it be ignored because it looks bad compared to modern CGI? Imagine everything else about the production is done skillfully, like the animation is good, designs, cinematography, direction, etc.

Anonymous Mon Nov 25 21:13:11 2019 No.711927

>>711805
I was born in 1982. It was a game changer, I particularly remember the effects in Titanic being spectacular.
But then you had Lucas shitting up everything with the prequels and setting the stage for the massive over-use of CGI and the exclusion of practical effects (Titanic was a lot of practical effects, almost absurdly so with the use of water + SOME cgi)

Game wise it was pretty amazing to live through the PS1 era with its extremely long games spanning multiple CDs.
Warcraft II / Starcraft I cinematics were absolutely spectacular for their time
Even though the graphics were shit, we were so used to using our imaginations with sprites and text and shit that the pizza box characters looked amazing.
FF8 was probably the apex of "wow I can't believe how good this looks compared to how everything else before it looked"

But I mean being nostalgic is one thing, but to say it had "soul" is kind of wrong; it was just work being done by a huge team of very skilled people working for months, instead of today's game cinematic shit that's turned out by a third party company working with a handful of people as fast as they can for several clients at a time
It's like how indie games today rarely capture the quality of NES games despite looking similar because the NES game (if you look at the credits) was made by 60 people working as hard as they could to get the most out of the limited machine, while the indie stuff is 1 to 5 people following a retro tutorial

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 26 17:05:57 2019 No.712064 File: 291 KB, 975x1024, snowy_scene3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 26 18:11:00 2019 No.712074 >>712064 If this was done in early 90's hardware I'm curious as to how the got the snow to work

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 26 20:01:07 2019 No.712095 >>712074 1. Procedural textures with hand-painted b/w masks + 2. Procedural textures with ramps/gradients based on surface angle

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 26 21:40:40 2019 No.712116 File: 32 KB, 640x480, dinowalk.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 26 23:41:00 2019 No.712127 File: 1.76 MB, 982x720, Dream Machine1_Rollercoaster.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 04:57:31 2019 No.712158 >>712074 bumpmaps have been a thing for a long time

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 12:42:18 2019 No.712215 >>711870 If I was a horror movie it'd do great. Any other genre no

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 30 02:36:06 2019 No.712775 >>711767 >Blender's internal renderer since that shit is like 20 years old. >Blender's internal renderer Removed from current version of blender. And this makes me sad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 30 20:55:04 2019 No.712905 >>711122 The soul comes from how much effort people had to go through to make it. They had heaps of passion for 3d graphics and their enthusiasm shows through in the pictures

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 30 23:56:14 2019 No.712940 >>712775 They might decide to bring it back in a future version, like they did with bevel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 1 10:52:12 2019 No.713011 >>712775 You can reproduce that look in any modern renderer if you know what you're doing, emphasis on IF.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:03:02 2019 No.714959 File: 621 KB, 1536x2008, Carlson_Cover_Layout.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://ohiostate.pressbooks.pub/graphicshistory/

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:01:49 2019 No.715026 >>712064 Queen Street in Toronto. I wonder if this image was made by a 3D company I applied for a job at when I got out of college in the 80s.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:41:23 2019 No.715034 File: 1.57 MB, 270x480, giphy (3).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A Thread where I can show my low poly graphics test made using eevee.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:42:23 2019 No.715035 File: 3.91 MB, 480x480, giphy (1).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And this car

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:34:42 2019 No.715069 File: 50 KB, 558x686, cyberneticAgent_Front.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711118 Here's my low poly progress at a character. I was making a handheld console with my own game engine and I needed to keep the poly count and textures low.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:38:18 2019 No.715070
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>>715069
Not working on that anymore, I switched to UE4 and I started working on remaking the model with ZBrush. Here is the texture for that, I only got through the head but just UV wrapping with that few pixels was difficult. It's actually quite difficult to do low resolution UV maps, I go back and look at half-life/quake textures and they can show so much more in so little space.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 18:08:30 2019 No.715193 Can anons stop posting Nintendo renders and start posting obscure renders from the Ps1, Saturn Dreamcast and from other obscure places? I like Nintendo stuff but there comes a point where these threads are oversaturated with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:09:28 2019 No.715322 File: 20 KB, 328x304, bluestinger1999.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>715193 Reddit spawns in, loves nintendo because they don't appreciate anything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:18:37 2019 No.715458 >>715034 >A Thread where I can show my actually no.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 08:28:32 2019 No.715708 File: 152 KB, 1451x926, discoooo3d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 08:31:08 2019 No.715860 >>711782 What software or advice would you consider for making this type of environment but for a video games ? thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 10:24:31 2019 No.715878 >>715860 Any current 3D package will do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:42:46 2019 No.715906 >>715458 You're sad about it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:29:29 2019 No.716510 >>715906 no he's saying this is a thread for authentic 90s visuals, not imitations

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 04:39:55 2019 No.716539 File: 215 KB, 1200x960, sculpt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I used that software back then and it was fantastic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 06:04:11 2019 No.716541 >>716539 less noisy than cycles lol

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:17:07 2019 No.716563 [DELETED]

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>>716539
Same here. Also Videoscape 3D and Aegis Modeler. Later some Imagine 3D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WslSzQydnNs

Then came the VT and LW days, very productive time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L94DC7Lm-pY

Later the switch to Intel and an (loaned) Alpha Station. First contact with 3D Studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8azQEceSJo&t=166s

I also was an early adopter of Maya(workplace got the license in april '98).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHFLapfliN8

Due to my jobs there was some extensive Softimage and Alias use in between this.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:22:25 2019 No.716564 [DELETED]

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>>716539
Same here. Also Videoscape 3D and Aegis Modeler. Later some Imagine 3D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WslSzQydnNs [Embed]

Then came the VT and LW days, very productive time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L94DC7Lm-pY [Embed]

Later the switch to Intel and a (loaned) Alpha Station. First contact with 3D Studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8azQEceSJo&t=166s [Embed]

I also was an early adopter of Maya(workplace got the license in april '98).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHFLapfliN8 [Embed]

Due to my jobs there was some extensive Softimage and Alias use in between this.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:23:54 2019 No.716565
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>>716539
Same here. Also Videoscape 3D and Aegis Modeler. Later some Imagine 3D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WslSzQydnNs

Then came the VT and LW days, very productive time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L94DC7Lm-pY

Later the switch to Intel and a (loaned) Alpha Station. First contact with 3D Studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8azQEceSJo&t=166s

I also was an early adopter of Maya(workplace got the license in april '98).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHFLapfliN8

Due to my jobs there was some extensive Softimage and Alias use in between this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:42:40 2019 No.716567 >>716565 Dan Silva was the genius who programmed DPaint and later 3D Studio

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:55:01 2019 No.716568 >>716567 I've met him at Siggraph, 1993, maybe 1994. Still got a box of 3D studio, signed by people from the Yost Group.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:14:55 2019 No.716574 >>716568 Lucky guy 3ds Max 20th Anniversary Interview with Gary Yost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUIi7zo04RA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:38:33 2019 No.716663 >>716539 SOUL

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:57:26 2019 No.716672 File: 108 KB, 1200x680, 295984_full.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 09:50:17 2019 No.716919 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OPZV1v14a8 Another one from the 5.5/5.6 days. Tons of 3rd party plugins, super productive time for me. Always some job to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:49:52 2019 No.717030 >>715034 Neads linear interpolation to look like old style. Bezier interpolation doesn't really catch the vibe.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 23:01:46 2019 No.717034

Just downgrade your computer to something your 3d program can only barely run on, and try to do something in a limited amount of time and only using the most basic interface - no advanced features. Boom! Retro.
Also use the crappiest shaders you can find. Write your own. Especially if you've never done it before.
Every decision has so much more significance. No noodling, you MUST plan before doing anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 08:27:48 2019 No.717079 >>717030 We had Bezier interpolation for motion curves in the mid 80s you absolute retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 02:13:19 2019 No.717891 File: 122 KB, 1024x528, 1528985 old 90s cgi .jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711118

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 12:28:47 2019 No.717929 Top this you glowing CIA african americans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKpU0pnne8 Damn, those background scenarios are full of soul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 13:13:14 2019 No.717937 >>711739 Look at them jojos, thats the way you do it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 17:57:55 2019 No.717965 File: 2.49 MB, 1280x720, tombraider_cgi_001.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>715193

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:44:11 2019 No.718015 >>716539 any current software with this simplicity? Just wanna start making some fun retro shit

Anonymous Thu Jan 2 04:38:49 2020 No.718449

>>712775
Just write shaders using any old non-PBR shading model (blinn, phong, whatever it's like one line of code and that's assuming someone else hasn't already done it), boost the ambient color, don't use normal maps, and turn off shadows AO and GI. Use a rasterized rendering engine like cycles. Don't be a blendlet who cries wah wah I want my old shitty garbage deprecated features feed me more for free.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 18:36:06 2020 No.718558 >>717891 Literally: this image, the soulest

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 13:08:33 2020 No.718657
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got a shitload of old stuff from the vintage thread on cgp forums. lightwave 5.6, 3d studio max 2.5, photoshop 5, after effects 5.5 (all with tons of plugins) aura video paint, organica, canoma, poser, elastic reality and so on.

probably all for nothing kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 09:32:25 2020 No.718778 >>718657 Make a megadrive and I'll share you some of my warez.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 09:49:14 2020 No.718779 >>718015 Just use an Amiga Emulator and Sculpt 3D LOL or Videoscape or Lightwave

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 15:13:31 2020 No.718831
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>>716672
Yep. I rewatch this every now and then. It’s both primitive and yet hellish and creative. Cats2019 is arguably more horrific, for different reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 15:17:51 2020 No.718833 File: 1.58 MB, 498x490, 1577826669101.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>718657 >3d studio max 2.5

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 15:39:10 2020 No.718835 >>711400 Wario fucking dies

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:09:19 2020 No.718979 >>718779 thanks mang

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 20:26:37 2020 No.721171 File: 118 KB, 550x540, cgi_jfg_004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 10:11:05 2020 No.721273 >>718657 >>718778 Yeah, could you upload this somewhere? I'd like to archive it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 15:35:34 2020 No.721306 >>717891 >mario is pure subdivision surfacing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 29 03:04:47 2020 No.722685 >>711287 >>711118 surely there's a modern commmunity that still bathes in making this kind of stuff? it should be easier then ever now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 29 19:09:16 2020 No.722762 >>711400 >back of the train is blurred while the front is perfectly still what the fuck, that's not soul

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 29 19:24:15 2020 No.722763 >>722685 You still need need to understand framing, composition, lighting, color theory among other things...something 75% of the people posting here probably completely lack. >>722762 Idiot, that MB was done by hand in post

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 10:08:29 2020 No.723121 >>711409 FEELS

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 10:19:34 2020 No.723122 >>711409 Stanley and Stella in: Breaking the Ice this was pre-SGI stuff from 1987 They used the Symbolics system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 12:45:18 2020 No.723129 >>723122 ...funny enough, some of it lives on in Wings 3D.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 13:19:38 2020 No.723134 >>711750 Well jokes on you because I'm nostalgic for Nintendo DS graphics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 16:57:01 2020 No.723160 >>711750 Get a life.

Anonymous Sat Feb 1 18:20:09 2020 No.723166

>>722685
No, because nobody wants it (before you start: figuratively, not literally) and most people would just think you're terrible. The only people still don't it are doing so for pragmatic reasons rather than stylistic ones, which is to say you're either for some reason stuck with software from a billion years ago, or you for some reason haven't done anything to improve since the late 90's. Scott Cawthon's the best example, using it to great effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 20:23:37 2020 No.723190 >>723166 Some of us simply give no fucks about what fags like you think

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 1 20:57:09 2020 No.723191 >>723190 He was just answering that guys question dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 2 11:52:48 2020 No.723302 File: 500 KB, 450x317, 1542462928330.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 2 12:22:31 2020 No.723306 >>723302 Hey, at least it's 3ds. Not that much has changed regarding to Indian CGI.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 3 03:13:52 2020 No.723463 >>711134 I see a bunch of words but no kind of justification for them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 20:27:43 2020 No.723927 >>723134 even worse

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 20:40:58 2020 No.723929 >>711138 bad motive? lol what a stupid critique what does that even mean

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 20:44:11 2020 No.723930 >>723929 just a buttmad blendlet who failed at the donut tutorial

Anonymous Fri Feb 7 10:17:50 2020 No.723975
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Any other advice on how to replicate parts of this style? Like color palette, texture size, etc limitations? I've been interested in trying to create a style half-way between the PS1 type pre-rendered backgrounds and this ancient CGI type stuff.

Anonymous Fri Feb 7 10:30:34 2020 No.723977

>>723975
That was done in 3D Studio Max R1.2 and R2 btw., with the standard scanline renderer.

Prepare a set of textures for your scene that matches in terms of quality, style, etc., sketch and plan your scene, make blocking and perspective tests, know what you have to build and what not.

Anonymous Fri Feb 7 10:46:35 2020 No.723980

>>723977
Thanks, but I guess I mean: are there any old hardware and software limitations I should keep in mind when trying to replicate?

So for instance, I've also been trying to replicate the PS1's audio compression sound, so I've been taking note of how it had 512 KB of audio RAM, a 16-Bit sound chip, 24 channels of ADCPM @ 44.1 KHz, and so on. I'm just wondering about those kind of limitations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 11:00:19 2020 No.723981 >>723980 Delving into old software/hardware takes time and nerves. You are probably better off trying to replicate that look as close as possible in your current software.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 11:08:35 2020 No.723982 >>723981 Oh absolutely, so I'm just trying to mimic some of the limitations on modern software. Like PS1 textures were, max, 256x256, so if I try anything bigger I'm cheating, and the effect will look off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 11:10:39 2020 No.723983 >>723975 mandalore gaming haha :)

Anonymous Fri Feb 7 12:02:12 2020 No.723987

>>723982
>256x256 textures
Not for the prerendered stuff. I personally looked for the highest quality textures available back then. I built my own library over the years, but mostly relied on texture libraries from commercial CDs in the 90s and early 2000s. I still have a ton of them, mostly stuff from Artbeats, Dosch, Arroway, Total Textures or Marlin Studios.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 12:06:59 2020 No.723988 >>723987 Could you upload them to mega or something? I'd love to look at them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 12:11:22 2020 No.723989 >>723988 Sure thing. Could take some time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 12:12:26 2020 No.723990 File: 117 KB, 1440x1080, 1467857382972.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>723989 Thanks dude

Anonymous Fri Feb 7 19:21:01 2020 No.724028
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>>723990
https://mega.nz/#F!fixBHCYD!52vxQu2yM-prW88cMTTLaw

I found some CDs, not all. Thrown in some texture stuff from my old workstations. Dunno if any of that junk is useful. File formats are all mixed up, also some older types, so you probably want to convert that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 19:24:53 2020 No.724030 >>724028 >3.8 gbs Holy shit. You're amazing

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 19:52:44 2020 No.724033 >>724030 No prob. Good luck with your project.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 7 20:18:19 2020 No.724039 >>717965 >We gotta move these >refrigerators >We gotta move these >color TVsssss

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>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 09:09:12 2020 No.724255 >>717965 it's funny to think that most pre-viz these days looks better than this

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 13:16:03 2020 No.724309 >>724255 shrug

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 12:07:34 2020 No.726719 >>718015 Wings3d

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 12:17:34 2020 No.726720 >>724255 Not really

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:39:08 2020 No.726759 >>724643 How to make this in Blender?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 00:55:30 2020 No.726955 >>726759 script

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 02:32:06 2020 No.726966 >>724028 >mega fuckin transfer quota id love to see this but I guess I'll need to wait a bit

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 06:54:13 2020 No.726985

>>711134
>>711287
>>711400
>phong and cubemaps
>maybe raytracing in parts
>bump maps (not normal maps)
>catmull-clark subdiv
>no gamma correction
>manual post processing
>shitty colors (from printing and scanning?)
honest to god it looks atrocious but it looks easy to emulate in any modern renderer/engine if you're willing to throw away every lesson we've learnt since 1995
just do everything in the most hacked together ad-hoc way

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 10:04:43 2020 No.727416
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Surprised what I was able to do with a 23 year old tool this morning. Getting soft raytraced shadows relies on spinning/wiggling lights and motion blur. 100 hand placed point lights to emulate bouncing light. Abysmal render times due to no multithreading.
Guy and fire are flat billboards. 3 or 4 image maps, everything else procedurals. Post processing done directly in the application.
Overall not a pleasant experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 10:19:46 2020 No.727420 File: 81 KB, 640x480, MM6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>727416 getting some might & magic 6 vibes here, anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:19:23 2020 No.727433 >>727416 and the tools used?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:30:35 2020 No.727462 >>727433 Lightwave 5.6 for everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:50:46 2020 No.727488 >>726985 it's great if you're going to make small animations / shorts. Modern crap takes too long to render

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:18:52 2020 No.727520 >>711118 I take it you like vaporwave too anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:43:17 2020 No.727581 >>727416 The absolute mad man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:06:46 2020 No.727590 >>727581 More like incredibly bored.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 18:37:17 2020 No.727619 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8elxpSu9pw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:16:05 2020 No.727629 No one linked them? For shame, /3/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEWeP2YPKzo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5zMtCvWhG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vG3FZfwn8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlxMd3-YlAk

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:40:51 2020 No.727642 >>711742 gotta admit, the beast wars masterpiece toys really show that the weird, semi realistic-semi stylized look of the character's beast forms could work with more realistic details.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:41:54 2020 No.727643 >>715860 keep shading really shitty and simple. No joke, the least PBR you get the more retro it will look.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 04:49:33 2020 No.727665 I bet you dopes think the horrific Baby in Tin Toy looks good because it's old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIZSAZRzDA

Anonymous Tue Mar 3 07:06:44 2020 No.727667

>>727665
I like that short. It marks the premiere of Renderman. Also, there is nothing more difficult than the human form. That's why all these animation studios stylize humans heavily, which clashes incredibly with all the realistic shading and lighting going on in modern productions. They effectively maneuvered themselves into a corner with this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 10:10:53 2020 No.728349 >>711805 Born in 1978. The T-1000 effects in Terminator 2 were genuinely mind blowing. The effects in Jurassic Park also amazed us back then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:43:59 2020 No.728371 File: 105 KB, 629x768, Zealot_SC1_Art3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711118

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:21:44 2020 No.728411

>>728371
All the CG(ingame and cutscenes) for SC1 was done very economically in 3D Studio Max(R1&R2) and Character Studio. Also, the concept of handing the cutscene work to external studios wasn't really a thing yet, so like with Westwood's C&C, the regular artists did them.

/useless information

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 08:15:10 2020 No.728431 File: 81 KB, 640x480, 6426_56d1d2f512dd8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mystdumping Excuse the cursors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 08:16:19 2020 No.728432 File: 32 KB, 640x480, 6426_56d1d31c1e298.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>728431

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 08:17:23 2020 No.728433 File: 78 KB, 640x480, 6426_56d1d2f498e15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>728432

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 10:52:26 2020 No.728443 >>728433 They used StrataVision 3D on Macintosh Quadras for this. Really weird. But at least for Myst 2 they used Softimage 3\|D

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 16:03:14 2020 No.728471 >>728433 So was the mist in Myst here as usual due to draw distance issues? or intentionally there as atmosphere for that shot? Because I thought every frame in that game was prerendered since there were limited movement options and it ran at like 5 fps.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 16:31:09 2020 No.728473

>>728443
Why? There wasn't much else that capable on Macs at that time. The alternative was doing in on Amigas, which by that time had a few comparable tools or or shell out 100k for an SGI plus software(Alias).

>>728471
The mist was a purely artistic choice. Fog/mist helps to convey distance and scale.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 17:24:41 2020 No.728477 >>711118 how do you even achieve this with say blender?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 17:33:48 2020 No.728478 >>727416 a lot of soul, gj anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 17:33:51 2020 No.728479 >>728477 guess you mean the refraction of the glass? You need to use ray tracing for that, blender prob have one since they've been around since the 70's

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 08:18:22 2020 No.728564 >>728411 Maybe that is why the art was consistent over everything. I still miss the gritty Aliens inspired SciFi look of SC1. SC2 is basically Warhammer 40k miniatures combined with Warcraft 3/WoW art style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 01:53:57 2020 No.728958 >>711125 soul overflow as you go through that window. >>711134 thanks, agreed

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 19:38:35 2020 No.729208 Here you go https://youtu.be/YlUKcNNmywk https://youtu.be/kWChhdIgT6Q https://youtu.be/AwdjreJKggg

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 14 11:17:24 2020 No.729276 Is there anyway I can get these visuals in Maya or something? Are there any good tutorials on how to go about making stuff looking like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 14 16:19:01 2020 No.729290 >>729276 Use the software renderer looks pretty crappy and flat

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 14 18:15:29 2020 No.729306 >>729276 No global illumination

Anonymous Sat Mar 14 18:25:28 2020 No.729311

From the time when the "flying logo" craze reached its peak. I think I had this on some VHS, together with other SIGGRAPH stuff. Also the Mind's Eye compilations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hIOfEiy4lc

"We do bump mapping, texture mapping, reflection mapping, uhhh...road mapping, you-name-it-mapping"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 15:45:13 2020 No.729476 File: 1.08 MB, 1441x1047, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711118 The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest ; Quest world episodes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:33:19 2020 No.729545 I LOVE THIS KIND OF 3D MODELS how is this called? Vintage 3d? I love the aestethic it makes me feel in home

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 08:44:38 2020 No.729662 >>729476 Yes welcome home white man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 10:32:47 2020 No.729664 Pure soul https://youtu.be/8ygfW349sP4?t=22

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 13:27:09 2020 No.729779 >>716510 Why does it say retro in the subject then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 12:14:55 2020 No.729941 File: 78 KB, 480x479, cgi_04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] taste the 90s

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 17:32:55 2020 No.730680 >>726719 what makes it modern but suited for retro?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 17:33:59 2020 No.730681 >>724028 Vagrant noob to 3d here, what exactly is in here?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 17:36:13 2020 No.730682 >>723981 Like blender or something? Can you point me in the right direction what features I should be looking for? Would older hardware even run on modern pcs from the last decade?

Anonymous Thu Mar 26 17:45:34 2020 No.730684

>>716565
I've never even heard of any of these programs beyond Maya, it seems like a decade or two or three ago instead of there only being a few major player 3d programs, there were a larger amount of competing ones. Was there more variety back then in picking a software?

Now things like Blender and Maya evolve and always update to stay relevant, why didn't those earlier ones do the same and stick around? was the code just fucked and not worth trying to update in comparison to building new software from the ground up?

Anonymous Thu Mar 26 20:43:53 2020 No.730706
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>>730680
box modeling

>>730681
old textures/junk from my two workstations, used in commercial projects during the 90s and early 2000s

>>730682
you can emulate the style of old CG with modern tools, it's mostly about lighting, surfaces and the way objects are modeled. we had no global illumination back then. also no PBR materials, just old diffuse and specular models. there was no sculpting, we either did poly modeling or NURBS. box/sub-d modeling appeared in the latter half of the 90s.

>>730684
high end 3D software was expensive, as was the proper hardware you needed. so most people just pirated them for home use. shelling out $20k for Softimage or $13k for Maya was something reserved for studios.

I don't know. tools come and go. companies get bought up and their products are cannibalized for tech and finally discontinued. Autodesk for example has a dubious history when it comes to that. Softimage/XSI fell victim to that. Alias is still around in different form, as are 3D Studio(now max) and Lightwave.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 22:13:29 2020 No.730714 >>730706 You've suddenly reminded me of all the specialized rigs and workstations that predominated industry work at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 17:28:01 2020 No.730805 >>711122 I agree. Half the appeal of this era of art is its obvious artificiality and soullessness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:00:35 2020 No.730818 >>730805 OK ZOOMER

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:03:41 2020 No.730819

>>730706
would blender be a good match for retro 3d modeling? It seems to be suited for box modeling. Or would something like wings 3d be a better choice? blender seems to have good box modeling but i know im over simplifying it.

Where did you guys get your textures from back in the day? Sounds like you did it as a career for quite some time, thanks for all the interesting insight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:10:15 2020 No.730821 >>730819 blender will do just fine. either bought texture collection CDs or got access to them by employers/studios. I also started building my own collection when digital cameras got better.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:34:34 2020 No.730836

>>730821
The idea of buying a CD with textures on it is really cool and interesting. Were they divided by theme like a disc of textures relating to say, houses? And a different disc for "space" stuf? Or were they just completely miscellaneous?

Was it sort of like those old shareware 100 video game cds were a handful were great and the majority were just eh? Very interesting to me even though it probably is boring to everyone else. Did you have to pick the discs from a catalogue or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:08:43 2020 No.730841 Godamn 3D hipsters should be hanged

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:09:46 2020 No.730842 >>730836 >Was it sort of like those old shareware 100 video game cds were a handful were great and the majority were just eh? Not that guy but I would imagine it was more like buying those 12,000 clip art image CDs

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:44:20 2020 No.730885 >>727416 Amazing

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 10:56:34 2020 No.730901 [DELETED]

>>730836
they were usually sold by category; bricks/stones, metals, wood, interior, city, sci-fi and so on. sellers like Dosch, Artbeats or Marlin advertised them in 3D magazines or sold them directly on their websites.

some shovelware collections existed, often with maps of dubious quality.
didn't matter, I grabbed everything I could get my hands on.

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 10:58:21 2020 No.730902
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>>730836
they were usually sold by category; bricks/stones, metals, wood, interior, city, sci-fi and so on. sellers like Dosch, Artbeats or Marlin advertised them in 3D magazines or sold them directly on their websites.

some shovelware collections existed, often with maps of dubious quality.
didn't matter, I grabbed everything I could get my hands on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 16:57:32 2020 No.730952 Holy fuck this thread is a rush Anyone else watch YTV in the 90s and catch those clips of the Minds Eye and other early GC shorts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 17:11:05 2020 No.730955 >>730841 soulless.

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 18:59:29 2020 No.730964

>>730902
Thats awesome. I wonder if those old cds are floating around anymore. Thanks for uploading those textures though, i might check them out later. No viruses or anything right?

Leads me to another question, how do artists build up their texture libraries without infecting their computer with all sorts of weird shit? Im new enough to all of this that its a concern I have. I doubt most people are buying the majority of their textures from vendors.

I dont blame you for buying them all even if you couldnt confirm the quality. With internet speed being so shit in the day even if you could find them online it would take forever.

Thanks again for all the cool knowledge, that era of 3d modeling is fascinating to me. I think a few anons on here have talked about a book or two that talk about the history of 3d design and I want to check a few out to learn about all of the older ways of doing this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 13:19:00 2020 No.731074 File: 71 KB, 480x360, city4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 15:07:56 2020 No.731099 File: 1.91 MB, 2040x1132, soul soulless comparison.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711134 2 can play at this game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 18:51:52 2020 No.731255 File: 379 KB, 1823x638, 1568650848362.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>731099 at least you tried anon

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:46:05 2020 No.732125

complete noob question here

what makes old 3d LOOK old? Obviously its a culmination of things, but what are some terms you can throw out that contribute to those retro renders looking so obviously dated?

What techniques and new technologies came about in the last decade that made things look more realistic? I love both old and new 3d and have an appreciation for both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:50:44 2020 No.732128 >>732125 Lighting for example. You couldn't do GI, only fake/approximate it, for example with dome-like light rigs or an ungodly amount of fill lights.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:45:45 2020 No.732133 >>732128 GI?? can you elaborate a bit more? i wanted to find a list of advancements and research each one. i thought it would give me a better ability at understandning not just old cg but applying those advancements to new stuff.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 09:20:41 2020 No.732143
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>>732133
Global illumination, to simulate the effects of indirect lighting(bouncing light and color bleeding). Also no ambient occlusion, but that and things like contact shadows were kinda faked by the light rigs.

Materials were obviously still non-physically based, so you had parameters like specular strength, shininess/glossiness, etc. to define the looks. Phong for specular highlights(early 3DS still had optional Gouraud). Also no normal maps, just greyscale bumpmaps(or procedurals as bumpmaps).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 06:53:12 2020 No.732279 >>732143 im still a bit confused what a normal map is, is it a texture that has an illusion of 3d?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 09:23:37 2020 No.732287

>>732279
It's a texture that uses RGB to describe three axis, which is further computed into depth but without altering geometry. Bump maps are 2D only, but function the same otherwise. Displacement maps actually alter the geometry. They're non-destructive but very expensive depending on the resolution you want.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 10:46:59 2020 No.732294
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>>732279
"A normal map is an image that stores a direction at each pixel. These directions are called normals. [...] A normal map is commonly used to fake high-resolution details on a low-resolution model. [...] However, the silhouette of the model doesn't change."

http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Normal_map

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:08:14 2020 No.732445

>>732294
so its basically....a texture with interactive areas? That sounds gross. Why would you pick that over just picking the old school way of painting the detail into the texture, or actually modelling the detail on? What sort of fringe scenario makes it worth it if its computationally expensive anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 10:49:31 2020 No.732481 >>732294 Do games still use this today? Is it worth learning? I feel like I remember seeing this in Halo 2 honestly on a lot of metal surfaces when I zoomed in. Pretty cool.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 10:57:46 2020 No.732482

>>732279
>>732445
Its a textures that maps how light is suppose to interact with the model.
How fancy it can get depends on the shader stackss, but you need some kind of reflection/highlights/diffusion to get any benefit.

So instead of making a model with 10x the detail, you instead bake in light behavior as if the model had 100x the detail.
But talking about it doesn't make sense without understanding what gourard vs phong is.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 11:10:58 2020 No.732483

>>732482
idk if im using the phrase correctly, but PS2 era graphics sometimes had textures with subtle (or not so subtle) painted on highlighting to create the illusion of extra lighting or surface geometry. I think some people called that baked lighting but idk if thats the right term.

could bump mapping be thought of as the next step in that sort of thing? a sort of smart baked light?

Could you combine the two or would it be pointless?

The gourard thread is mine btw, im desperate to learn.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 11:16:46 2020 No.732485

>>732482
in halo 2 i remember a lot of strange surfaces that if i used the flash light on them they acted like they were 3d but zooming in on them it was a 2d object, so im assuming the holes on the floor here are bump mapped? This is cool to finally learn. Thank you.

back in the halo 2 Xbox days how much more efficient would it have been to do that for all of the floor tiles and such?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 11:19:26 2020 No.732486 File: 889 KB, 1024x768, bump.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>732485 >>732483 >>732482 god damnit I think that the drone enemies bodies which were exoskeletons made a lot of use of the same technique and maybe hunter shields.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:52:02 2020 No.732543 >>730805 Yeah, the soullessness gives it more soul. It's almost like soullessness as a deliberate aesthetic choice.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 13:50:25 2020 No.733070

>>726985
Jesus, I'm just passing through /3/, and this post is an example of how having knowledge about a field can make you seem rather like a snob.
I have no idea what (aside from shitty colors obviously) your list of complaints are. I admit that, because I have never looked into this board's topic in any depth. But those 3 images look great to me, I don't see your "atrocious" at all. The motion blur on the Mario one is the only negative I can see.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 03:01:59 2020 No.733158 >>711750 oh really that's interesting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 04:59:42 2020 No.733166 File: 3.87 MB, 850x720, 342.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711750 Is that so

Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:42:25 2020 No.733516

>>732485
>im assuming the holes on the floor here are bump mapped? This is cool to finally learn. Thank you.
Yeah. Another neat effect that Halo had was that in Halo CE a lot of walls had detail textures. If you got close to the wall another texture would load over the current texture so you couldn't see the low resolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 06:21:29 2020 No.733536 File: 306 KB, 700x700, unreal_detail.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>733516 The original Unreal also did that, a first - I think - in games due to the improved textured compression debuted in that game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 06:22:58 2020 No.733537 File: 306 KB, 700x700, unreal_detail.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>733516 The original Unreal also did that, a first (I think) in games due to the improved texture compression debuted in that game.

Anonymous Sun Apr 12 23:11:28 2020 No.733674

>>711118
Since this is /3/ and not /v/, let's discuss what makes a render look "soulful" instead of how much we hate video games.

>no colored lighting, only black shadows and white highlights
>low resolution, blurry textures, often with visible stretching (especially on environments)\
>only the most basic of material effects. almost everything looks like shiny plastic
>saturated colors

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 23:15:25 2020 No.733675 >>733674 Just thought of another one: textures for real materials were usually just literal photos that'd get stretched to hell and back to avoid ugly tiling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 23:43:14 2020 No.733682 >>733675 do people not use photos for textures?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 00:59:23 2020 No.733690 >>711134 bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 01:03:28 2020 No.733691 >>731255 Ok 30 something

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 04:15:21 2020 No.733712 Mission critical: a comfiest videogame has never been made, great graphics, very "soulful" as you autists say. Also must be one of the best sci fi videogame plots out there, which is not to say much but still

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 04:35:25 2020 No.733714 File: 28 KB, 480x360, comfy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>733712 forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 04:46:38 2020 No.733715 >>733682 no

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 05:30:51 2020 No.733721 >>733691 >>733690 You're past 30 faster than you think

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 05:32:52 2020 No.733722 >>733674 Some of that is nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 05:42:32 2020 No.733723 >>733682 no, only monsters

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 05:48:45 2020 No.733724 >>733682 For "modern" low poly efforts? Can't imagine that. Back then? Absolutely. At least I did. Everything got kit bashed into usable parts for textures. Pictures of animals, photos of co-worker's faces or own body parts, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:15:49 2020 No.733774 >>733724 >own body parts that explains mara in shin megami tensei

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:23:41 2020 No.733788 is this the longest living fagchan thread ever

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:13:17 2020 No.734171 >>711122 it has character. Not soul. The character comes from trying to work with the limitations of the technology.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 10:12:54 2020 No.734258 >>733788 Not even close

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 06:28:45 2020 No.734561 >>711750 this. they were low effort with absolutely shite lighting engines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:26:51 2020 No.734618 >>734561 Nobody cares zoomer

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:29:34 2020 No.734619 File: 43 KB, 398x495, 206-2064195_the-dab-by-trump-3d-caricature-still-image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>734561 Imagine being that retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:27:01 2020 No.734887 >>714959 Bless

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:10:29 2020 No.734937 >>733724 i dont understannd, isnt a brick in a modern videogame using a high res texture that started out as a photo of a brick?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 04:18:38 2020 No.735572 File: 251 KB, 1262x1667, zam3598a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want to fucking die

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 08:45:06 2020 No.736218 File: 76 KB, 413x406, vrsucks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Alright, I'm going to 'treat' myself to some era-appropriate CG making after work. LW 5.6 it is again, maybe with some 3D Studio MAX R2 to supplement dynamics & particles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:19:50 2020 No.736224 >>736218 can you show some of your work ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:31:03 2020 No.736225 >>736224 When it's done sure lol. Don't know if I really want to bother with something like characters. Probably more 90s era stuff like mechs or spaceships.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 17:43:25 2020 No.736305
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damn man, lighting is such a bitch. who knew.
still can't figure out how to do phong shading in blender.
I also should decrease the roughness on everything, all old cgs just look so wet

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 17:58:05 2020 No.736310 >>736305 Does blender even have a phong shader?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:18:42 2020 No.736313 >>736310 Apparently the old blender internal used to look pretty similar. But no, I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:26:46 2020 No.736314 >>717937 underrated comment

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:42:30 2020 No.736315 File: 112 KB, 1024x1024, 3ds4_specular_highlight.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>736305 specular highlights reference from autodesk 3D studio DOS for comparison

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 19:31:49 2020 No.736325

>>736315
That shiny dot and immediate cut off is really what nails it. All the old Nintendo CGI ads have it everywhere. I wonder if it'd just be easier at this point to run a virtual machine and use old programs than try to make blender 2.8 do it.

I'm gonna check out blender's internal to see how it compares

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 00:22:26 2020 No.736355 >>726985 >>bump maps (not normal maps) What's the difference?

Anonymous Sun Apr 26 05:28:23 2020 No.736396

>>736355
OG bumpmaps invented by Jim Blinn in the 70's just calculate the normal from a single channel heighmap determining the altered normal slope by looking at adjacent pixels.
They are excellent for showing high detail microstructure like say cellar skin or the roughness of smooth concrete, any micro features on large flat surfaces.

They can not show large continuous features and slopes like a modern normal map that uses the RGB values to store a full 3D vector.
Those surprisingly did not became a thing until the 00's despite the idea already being part of how you derive an altered normal from a classic bump/height map.

Confusion arise when the term 'bump map' is often used interchangebly whenever a 'normal map' is used.
Got that way because normal maps are more useful and for the most part replaced everything we previously did with bumpmaps.
Some people decided to keep calling them bumpmaps for no good reason, I've written this very post like a 100 times since the days of HL2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 05:36:32 2020 No.736398 >>736396 I still use greyscale bump maps on top of normal maps to introduce secondary detail into surfaces

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 13:25:21 2020 No.736456 >>736325 Couldn't get 2.79 to work on my computer for some reason Man, there is like no documentation on this stuff. You'd think it'd be easy to use the oldest shaders on the newest programs

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 15:50:51 2020 No.736495 >>736456 Shame. Ask some plugin dev to write you a phong shader for recent versions of blender, lol.

Anonymous Sun Apr 26 16:33:33 2020 No.736501
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>>736495
Got 2.5 to work though! Definitely closer to the look I want.

It's incredible how unintuitive just moving around the workspace was initially. You're basically glued to the keyboard instead of zooming around with your mouse

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 17:30:55 2020 No.736518 File: 1.01 MB, 1920x1080, Mirad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>711118 not technically 90s but might as well be

Anonymous Sun Apr 26 19:25:48 2020 No.736537

>>712905
it's funny that you're so invested in this internet meme that you've developed a belief in literal esp just to justify it. enthusiasm ether is not a thing and the people who made this stuff were just bored wage slaves thinking about what to have for lunch, not starry-eyed children on a magical quest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 19:32:37 2020 No.736538 >>736537 soulless

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 20:10:04 2020 No.736545 I loved this when I was a kid https://youtu.be/m0WbPaGqeoc

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 20:26:37 2020 No.736551 >>736538 what, have you scanned the past with your enthusiasm esp and determined my parents weren't really into it when they were fucking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 22:42:07 2020 No.736571 >>736325 are you talking about the phong shader? >>736310 what shaders does blender use these days anyway with 2.8.3 being currennt?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 26 23:09:19 2020 No.736588 >>711118 some 1989 CGI for yall https://vimeo.com/305014785

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:15:25 2020 No.736638 >>736588 I recognize Renderman everywhere I see it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 05:59:03 2020 No.736658 File: 15 KB, 480x360, download.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:00:57 2020 No.736660 File: 56 KB, 900x350, download (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:02:17 2020 No.736661 File: 101 KB, 765x573, download (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:03:45 2020 No.736662 File: 202 KB, 1400x700, download (3).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lol beast wars

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:04:54 2020 No.736663 File: 90 KB, 765x573, Xcalibur_39.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:08:33 2020 No.736666 File: 206 KB, 1280x720, download (4).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw when you really want a tamagotchi virtual pet so your parents buy you ones you can only have on the one family PC

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:10:56 2020 No.736667 File: 76 KB, 640x754, 34534253.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>736666 oops meant to be this pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:48:18 2020 No.736713 >>736663 that hair actually looks really good. wtf? how.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 17:35:25 2020 No.737321 >>736218 I really need to start drawing storyboards or at least sketch something out. I'm fumbling around here with no real direction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 22:44:21 2020 No.737413 >>711767 Max still has all the legacy lights and renderer does it not?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 23:00:42 2020 No.737416 >>733070 3d is the snobbiestand cuntiest of all hobbies but at least on 4chan you expect it. try polycount for a really bad time

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 05:08:19 2020 No.737500

>>737413
Ofc it has. But notice the running theme how the guys trying to figure out how to do 'simple graphics' are also simple people.
Simple in the sense they're daft as absolute fuck and need someone to hold their hand every step of the way.

It never dawns on them to go into the render settings and switch to the most legacy option and turn off features til it looks old and charming (read crappy).
Instead they keep posting amongst eachother trying to analyze what great secrets the ancients used and pretend it's all a big mystery.
For them disabling rendering features with labels written in plain english is like reading hieroglyphs before the rosetta stone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 05:18:24 2020 No.737501 >>737500 This. Every single time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 14:09:59 2020 No.737628 >>737500 you seem upset

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 15:25:00 2020 No.737654

>>737628
Well I wrote a minorly salty post so perhaps by millenial standards? I'm from the 80's, 'upset' meant something else back then.
We lived thru the cold war with the risk of nuclear annihalation still being a very plausible concern so we were not so triggered by minor infractions.

Back then when someone was described as 'upset' it was like this elevated state of distress that went far beyond simply showing ones emotion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 19:30:03 2020 No.737721 >>737654 did the cold war give you autism too grandpa

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 19:44:23 2020 No.737727 >>737721 He called you out and now you're assblasted

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 12:10:52 2020 No.739802 File: 197 KB, 1024x768, moors-druidring.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i love everquest's grafx

Anonymous Sat May 9 19:20:18 2020 No.739922

>>711870
This style came about from people giving a shit about the science and not the art. That was necessary, considering the medium, but...
If the designs, and animation, and direction, and all that, is missing, I'm not sure that it would even be obvious that this is what they are trying to emulate.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 10 09:34:57 2020 No.740055 >>711118 How about some fully rendered morphing spaceship CGI from a movie made in 1986? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pNhdeFPl60

>>	Anonymous Mon May 11 18:28:51 2020 No.740458 File: 326 KB, 1023x768, Default-67.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLGRSOfnnUM

>>	Anonymous Tue May 12 08:49:34 2020 No.740666 >>711870 >>712215 Look up Five Nights at Freddie's

Anonymous Tue May 12 09:39:26 2020 No.740676

>>732445
Because everytime anything moves the illusion would break. It affects things like specularity, which would be tricky to paint since it creates sparkles when the camera moves. The game RAGE 1 baked shadows, AO, GI and specularity into a giant texture to save performance. It looks alright in certain angles from afar, but if you look closely or move even a bit you can see it's just some fixed pixels that are white.
So bumpmap/normal map is a lot easier than painting light by hand, it gives the illusion of 3D, and it's cheap to compute, as Half Life 2 and Doom 4 were some of the first games to introduce it in 2004.
Nowadays the main texture only stores the color, everything else is in separate textures or computed in real time.

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 12:53:49 2020 No.742536 File: 58 KB, 672x524, Jacobi_Divine_Stone_Garden.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone ever tinkered around with Bryce?

>>	farquad Mon May 18 14:19:27 2020 No.742547 File: 80 KB, 800x368, tr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tomb Raider Cutscene

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 15:41:44 2020 No.742583 >>742536 Yes, kinda as a supplementing tool back then to create landscapes.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 21 07:53:04 2020 No.743410 >>736662 It still looks better than Transformers Energon.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:18:58 2020 No.745323 bump'd

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