Topology/Wireframes

[Anonymous No.673096]

Hey, where can I find some images/references of good modeling topology? I'm talking about for animation of mid poly characters, say 10,000 verts or less, maybe even half.

What are some good search terms or websites?

[Anonymous No.673108]

>>673096
...you don´t 'create' topology anymore.
Retoplogy is now an automated process, and all you do is to draw the control lines and paint weights to control mesh density. You can get a full character body with good topology for aroun 30.000 polys.

[Anonymous No.673130]

>>673108
are you new?

[Anonymous No.673158]

>>673108
An automated process?

Lol what?

[Anonymous No.673168]

>>673108
Are you from the distant future or simply retarded?

[Anonymous No.673197]

>>673168
>>673158
>>673130
Then show us your topology, anon.
Show us. SHOW YOUR WORK.

[Anonymous No.673199]

>>673197
well according to your assertion, topology isn't made anymore and it's just an automated process so naturally no one would be able to "show their work," they would be showing an algorithm's work
in reality though it just sounds like you found out about zbrush and zbrush's retopology tool and conflated that with people not doing other forms of modeling

[Anonymous No.673206]

>>673108
That's only for those who can afford Zbrush, Idiot.

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[Anonymous No.673217]

>>673096
Do people wank to figurines like those? Because I think I would.

[Anonymous No.673244]

>>673206
I don't quite understand though. If I sculpt a model of a dog to use in a game then have it retop'd by an algorithm, surely it won't be optimal for efficient deformation within a game.

[Anonymous No.673314]

>>673217
There is an entire porn industry about this. So the answer is yes.

[Anonymous No.673420]

>>673108
Brainlet detected.
>>673206
Zbrush's retopo system doesn't work effectively at all. You're better off manually retopoing it or starting from the bottom.

[Anonymous No.673470]

>>673108
Is this anon from the year 2050 opr just fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.673502]

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[Anonymous No.673503]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673504]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673505]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673506]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673507]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673508]

>>673096
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[Anonymous No.673509]

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[Anonymous No.673510]

>>673096
>>673509
Don't forget the sauce, OP.

[Anonymous No.673512]

dogshit wireframes

[Anonymous No.673517]

>>673510
Are you implying the work depicted in the OP is based on Pisciasa, or asking for source? Because if the latter, I can provide it.

[Anonymous No.673518]

>>673517
The latter.
>I can provide it
Please do.

[Anonymous No.673521]

>>673518
https://gahaku-sr.wixsite.com/pygmalion/about
https://twitter.com/gahaku34?lang=en

[Anonymous No.673523]

>>673518
>>673521
PS. From the author: https://twitter.com/gahaku34/status/847077073860538370
At an exposition (I assume): https://twitter.com/bongeshiki1/status/878842834522038273

[Anonymous No.673525]

>>673521
>>673523
Thanks, anon,
>pygmalion
A fitting name, indeed.

[Anonymous No.673526]

Is either of these torsos' topo good for a low poly base body?

[Anonymous No.673623]

>>673108
>now an semi automatic process
ftfy

[Anonymous No.673679]

>>673217
Look up the "hot glue" fetish. People wank to and over figures like this.

[Anonymous No.677728]

Bump for quality.

[Anonymous No.677735]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1019911750370541569

[Anonymous No.677739]

>>677735
>https://twitter.com/dyb_wst/status/1108731162334101504
...And the patreon subscription count just went up by one.

[Anonymous No.677778]

https://topologyguides.com/

^Also http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Category:Topology

Seriously the polycount wiki is great

[Anonymous No.677779]

>>673108
ZRemesher can work wonders but we're still not there yet

[Anonymous No.677872]

>>677739
blender BTFO

[Anonymous No.677880]

>>677872
The irony is that it was done in Blender. Probably, in frustration.

[Anonymous No.678603]

>>673502
Is the topology here fucking godawful or am I just rarted?

[Anonymous No.678709]

>>678603
A little bit of both I suppose. The topology isn't exactly brilliant, some poles are placed in locations that would create unnecessary problems if you where to animate it vividly.
The geometry doesn't flow in the right directions everywhere to how the skin would fold if it was a real human.
But this is clearly a very anime inspired semi-realistic face that probably wont ever be setup to animate like a real face (a very difficult thing to pull off btw).
All in all there are many more things right with it than is wrong with it.
In thinking this is 'god awful' it probably means you've drank the kool-aid on someones wild ideas about mesh topology.

There are a lot of these third rates wannabe's out there that lacks any real artistic ability or understanding of exploration and timeconstraints of the creative process.
So instead of developing an innate sense of how to capture any range of surfaces they obsess over theoretical 'best-practice' way of constructing these things,
turning to things like looking at diagrams of wireframes and memorizing that this and that loop must exist on a face topo.
Not recognizing that the topology that captures one type of face well isn't automatically the best one for another.

If you can't tell that image is made by a talented artist without having someone else validate the topology for you, you're heading down a dark and lonesome road.
But it's not to late to turn back, and you're not not retarded just for being a bit mislead.

[Anonymous No.678710]

>>678709
POLES DONT CREATE ANIMATION PROBLEMS ARE YOU RETARDED

[Anonymous No.678713]

>>678710
All poles create pinching in both the shading and the subdivision, if the pole is moving alot it becomes extra apparant since
inavertedly it'll compress the angle on vertices on some side of the pole more than another.

Just look up the source code for how the normal is interpolated between vertices and you'll see why this must be increasingly the case anywhere edges meet at more accute angles.
>your face in a mirror anon, your face in a mirror.

[Anonymous No.678725]

>>678713
nigga thats not how pinching works, pinching is when edges are too fucking close together that it ACTUALLY buckles the topology, theres is absolutely nothing wrong with evenly spaced poles, literally give me any fucking example of poles creating problems with animation ANY FUCKING EXAMPLE.

[Anonymous No.678732]

>>678725
Not that kinda pinching. Pinching as in uneven warping in the tightness of the shading, easiest way to observe this it is to create convex or concave
topology with poles and assign a realtime reflective material to it and look how the shading behaves across that surface.

On a animated face like that it'd show up as some degree of unwanted warping artifacts in the specular/reflective return in that area.
Moving the pole away from the highly glossy skin underneath the eye where the cheek will crease a lot to somewhere where it'll remain fairly immovable and flat is therefore recommended.

Thing is stuff like that is things you'd discover on your own as you start rigging the face because you just won't get it right the first time.
You will end up testrig and retoplogize the face like 12 times before it starts working well for you.

So it's silly nitpicking to require every artist to create geometry to that kind of fidelity before giving them recognition.
Like if you look carefully on that face and you see it's prob not even planned to move since the folds in the eyelids are just straight phototexture that'd only work while static.

[Anonymous No.678733]

>>678732
again youre wrong, and again you havent provided any examples so fuck off or stop spreading bullshit.

[Anonymous No.678735]

>>678733
I generally don't sit down building complex meshes with flawed geometry to prove points
to loudmouths on the internet that believes they get to tell people what to do.

The mannerism of your impotent rage reminds me a lot of this one guy I used to know.
I hope you treat people who can put a name to your face better than you do anons on the internet, things really didn't work out for that dude.

[Anonymous No.678828]

>>678735
look faggot, if youre not going to provide videos or images of prove of your retarded notions then fuck off because youre just spreading bull shit that you picked up from /beg/s

[Anonymous No.679255]

>>673510
The guy who made this, Dzung Phung Dinh, is working on Subverse.

[Anonymous No.679300]

>>679255
I bet the women there feel comfortable around that guy.

[Anonymous No.679307]

>>673108
>Retoplogy is now an automated process
LMAO, delusional
At my previous job they had an entire team only for retopo work because ZBrush and other software shit the bed with anything remotely complex.

[Anonymous No.679379]

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[Starfleet No.679381]

>>679379
/b/.

[Anonymous No.679382]

>>679381
nah this place is fine too besides this guy >>677872 makes some fine ones ;)

[Starfleet No.679383]

>>679382
To each his own. But you are spinning your wheels and squandering the prime of your life.

[Anonymous No.679384]

>>679383
Then aren't real you retard

[Starfleet No.679385]

>>679384
I'm not hating. You know, when I was a kid we had real porn. It was called Penthouse.

[Anonymous No.679388]

>>679385
Oh cool just give me the porn!

[Starfleet No.679389]

>>679388

[Anonymous No.680442]

>>673096

[Anonymous No.680612]

>>673108
>using ZRemesher for your final topology
An animator would smack you for that

[Anonymous No.680631]

>>680612
100% this, >>673108 is a goddamn newbie

[Anonymous No.681336]

>>673108
I'm a newb at zbrush but even i know this post is retarded, I heard TopoGun is good any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.681378]

>>680442
Is this actually usable? It looks more like a study than something meant to serve any real purpose.

[Anonymous No.681482]

>>680631
Zremesh is pretty decent, good enough for average model imo

[Anonymous No.681487]

>>680612
puritans are the worst fucking scum of any field in the history of everything
> thee tepelegee has to look perfect hurrrr
> nigga I ain't animating that shit
> dent yuz zeeremeshr
> fuck you, dude

[Anonymous No.681488]

>>681482

The nose has been destroyed. The eyes would clip if animated and the ear is connecting to the jaw? Mouth corners look wrong too.

[Anonymous No.681491]

>>681487
easy to talk a big game when you don't have to rig and weight paint the shit

[Anonymous No.682098]

>>681487
Rig your own shit or comply

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