Rate my low poly model. Also general low poly thread. I am gonna post some.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:28:41 2018 No.657322 [Reply] [Original]

Rate my low poly model. Also general low poly thread. I am gonna post some.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:29:33 2018 No.657324 File: 13 KB, 400x300, 2iMGtpCHFYyb5LoxWlAs2U5S8dANcCpGraAyi4WWqVmIJ9eOQZ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here is another view.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:31:15 2018 No.657325 File: 994 KB, 500x420, 1513153592317.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] low poly characters from video games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:32:20 2018 No.657326 File: 495 KB, 640x476, 5f23efbb1e80b94900de5f6b0e1ba3b885840be5bf2a4ee6b216a3e51aa76c5b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is from solder of fortune 1 i guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:33:30 2018 No.657327 File: 246 KB, 144x205, 1464249000597.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:34:50 2018 No.657328 File: 62 KB, 320x240, 1516624102395.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] from parasite eve

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:35:25 2018 No.657329 File: 18 KB, 490x670, 1461092340574.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] quake 2 model.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:36:05 2018 No.657330 File: 53 KB, 640x480, Grunts_gagged2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] early half life alpha models.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:36:41 2018 No.657331 File: 56 KB, 151x200, 1464125193113.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HUH

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:38:17 2018 No.657332 File: 23 KB, 424x399, 1497830462656.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] turok but don't know which game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:39:46 2018 No.657333 File: 40 KB, 480x360, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:41:12 2018 No.657335 File: 43 KB, 600x370, Telefragging.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:46:10 2018 No.657337 File: 22 KB, 375x439, 1438293631047.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here some new stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:46:49 2018 No.657338 File: 48 KB, 778x665, 1436109454923.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:47:28 2018 No.657339 File: 399 KB, 450x650, 1436982466901.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:48:39 2018 No.657340 File: 109 KB, 800x680, 1437668146141.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:49:58 2018 No.657341 File: 1.57 MB, 540x877, 1437668761898.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 03:51:09 2018 No.657342 File: 109 KB, 800x781, 1437668825668.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 16:55:28 2018 No.658227 File: 46 KB, 649x653, astronaut.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 22:23:42 2018 No.658272 File: 388 KB, 480x640, jiggle.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 02:11:37 2018 No.658295 >>657322 I makes me happy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 05:22:06 2018 No.658311 >>657338 I like this. Does anyone know its tri count? Or, does anyone know if this is on Sketchfab or another place where I can see its wireframe? Regardless, thanks for posting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 20:25:08 2018 No.658429 >>657332 It's FireBorn's model from Turok Rage Wars, but it's stretched out so that it's probably from the PJ64 Emulation version. Don't know if I really helped or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:10:19 2018 No.658571 >>658227 0x10c for the curious (it's the name of the game), an unreleased game by Markus Person

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:08:08 2018 No.658689 >>657340 >>657342 Ho shit where these from my dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 14:53:14 2018 No.658837 >>657322 What is your process for making this? Did you use milkshape?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 18:07:42 2019 No.660170 File: 2.95 MB, 424x816, tumblr_p6xo8uWEeG1usfkq7o1_640.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:34:35 2019 No.660189 >>660170 That is really a nice model.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:45:26 2019 No.660190 >>660170 >>660189 an ass like hank hill

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:01:28 2019 No.660218 File: 26 KB, 462x320, 8a1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>658227 >>658571 >tfw 0x10c never ever >notch still too busy shitposting on twitter to use his new grafics renderer for something

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 10:49:24 2019 No.660285 File: 48 KB, 590x590, 1473285584974.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 10:51:37 2019 No.660287 File: 148 KB, 527x1515, 1478469704669.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 10:52:14 2019 No.660288 File: 342 KB, 768x768, 1475098473677.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:33:30 2019 No.660335 Its 2019 and low poly is a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:34:59 2019 No.660336 >>660335 Your existence is a waste of time, bio-material and oxygen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:47:12 2019 No.660337 >>660335 tell that to mobile gayming industry

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:50:10 2019 No.660339 >>660337 mobile gaming is a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:21:49 2019 No.660350 File: 123 KB, 590x1000, 1473285885873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] environment

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:24:37 2019 No.660352 File: 192 KB, 960x480, 1478470077389.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>658837 i lied. I didn't do it. Sorry :/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:45:40 2019 No.660356 >>660352 >texture without UVs >:(

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 10:07:13 2019 No.662653 File: 105 KB, 938x1368, 15472418930121363527744.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wish I could do models like pic related. Sure I could recreate the mesh, but I still would be at a loss on what to do if I tried to make other characters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:57:49 2019 No.662690 >>657324 THE PHANTOM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:30:44 2019 No.662693 >>660350 what would the texture for assets like these look like?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:15:47 2019 No.662711 >>657337 That model is realy old my dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:13:01 2019 No.662722 >>662690 HEEE-EEEEeeeeEEEE-E-E!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 04:54:34 2019 No.663148 File: 123 KB, 970x720, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made this today, 1380 tris 128X128 tex I could have cut the poly count down a lot but I was mainly trying to do pixel snapping UV texturing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 06:05:40 2019 No.663152 File: 1.08 MB, 220x220, tenor.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663148 Nice, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 12:32:01 2019 No.663188 File: 117 KB, 770x766, 1546892736387.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thinking of picking up Blender and making low-poly crap for my shitty game ideas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 13:06:46 2019 No.663197 >>663148 Wtf anon i was about to ask in the help thread how to make pixel snapping in 3ds max, how do you do it (if you use max)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 14:37:33 2019 No.663202 File: 680 KB, 771x723, 1540775742262.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663148 show wire

Anonymous Mon Jan 21 14:47:44 2019 No.663206
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>>663197
I used Maya, its under the Image tab in the UV editor. I had a look for how to do it in 3ds max but this was the best I could find;
pixel snap is on a flyout button under the vertex snap button

and yes - you'll need a texture assigned to use it.
Hope that helps
>>663202
o-ok

Anonymous Mon Jan 21 15:27:16 2019 No.663228
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>>663206
thanks a lot for your help, i chose a 32x32 texture and the snapping works but the texture is all blurry, both in the unwrap view and the viewport, i guess it"s because of some setting somewhere zooming up the image to oblivion, any way i can fix that anons ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 15:41:03 2019 No.663233 File: 38 KB, 824x404, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663228 Tr

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 15:42:05 2019 No.663234 >>663233 *try this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 15:43:05 2019 No.663235 >>657325 I can't beleive I was amazed by this when I first got RE2 back in 98..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 21 17:42:31 2019 No.663257 File: 138 KB, 1428x766, yayyyy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thanks anon it finally works ! although i have a face acting retarded and i don't know why

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 22 18:31:32 2019 No.663434 >>660170 This is by circumsoldier, isn't it? That fucker's models amaze me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 22 18:43:26 2019 No.663435 >>662653 The model itself usually isn't hard to do. The hard bit is having a character design that works with a low poly count and being a good enough texture artist to pull it off - and in the case of Fear Effect, intentionally flat lighting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 23 00:58:15 2019 No.663468 How does one begin learning pixel art?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 23 04:58:08 2019 No.663494 >>663468 MS Paint, not even kidding. You just have to do it and keep at it, watch some tutorials and process videos. you aren't going to be amazing at the start but if you keep at it you'll improve

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 23 19:03:02 2019 No.663721 File: 103 KB, 602x750, Wyatt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >having to make and animate models and also do all the programming for the game I'm screaming in hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 23 20:59:01 2019 No.663740 File: 405 KB, 313x274, RunCycle.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made this a while ago

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 23 23:22:30 2019 No.663773 >>663740 Are you Theonian on tumblr? I love your stuff

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 00:03:05 2019 No.663777 >>663721 this looks interesting, post more!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 00:44:56 2019 No.663780 File: 779 KB, 397x263, WormBeak_Test1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663773 Oh wow, never thought I'd be recognized from that, with it being all cutesy (unlike stuff like pic related, which is what I usually make) but yes - And thanks!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 14:20:39 2019 No.663895 >>663777 I don't want to be a fag and take up too many posts. https://twitter.com/AutLim/media

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 21:18:13 2019 No.664005 is there an archive of tutorials for low poly modeling?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 22:06:24 2019 No.664009 Can't you guys at least present your models in a nice way?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 24 23:59:13 2019 No.664014 >>664009 No I hate myself

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 25 00:58:48 2019 No.664018 >>664009 Do you have an example of good model presentation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 26 02:57:05 2019 No.664159 File: 1.15 MB, 320x240, output_tCHpLT.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 26 10:18:37 2019 No.664193 >>664159 the gun is dumb but very neat!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 27 19:10:02 2019 No.664443 File: 901 KB, 1548x1020, TIE_Fighter1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663148 TIE Fighter done, I tried a couple tricks with stretching UVs to make texture shapes I wanted like the Front window frame

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 29 12:56:25 2019 No.664750 >>660170 How do you think he gets such detailed textures with that resolution? I imagine it would be impossible to do that as pixel art. He probably paints in 512x512 then shrinks to 256 without interpolation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 29 14:12:02 2019 No.664753 >>664443 Wow that is extremely lightweight! great job there!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 29 14:55:17 2019 No.664758 >>664443 this model is as pointless as star wars in 2019

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 29 18:58:01 2019 No.664803 >>664758 Just ignore Nu Star Wars and everything's fine

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 05:53:41 2019 No.664909

>>664750
He does it at final res in substance painter. There's no magic to it, he's just dedicated to the grind. He hasn't been going for a tremendous amount of time, so you can improve just like he did. Five years ago his output was MS paint slideshow videos about wizards sending military strike teams to fuck gay rat mutants.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 13:59:41 2019 No.664980 File: 124 KB, 512x800, 1548607824868.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>657322 Some autist posted this on /vr/ I hope to get on PS1/N64 level one day

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 14:10:53 2019 No.664981 File: 32 KB, 960x960, 44630703_2011919362187003_6401414069660173467_n(1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Still rigging the apron and I've already done more work on the beard to make it look like hair. What do you think /3/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 16:52:34 2019 No.665004 >>664981 memepoly is disrespectful to low poly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 19:40:33 2019 No.665035 >>665004 but anon I just like minimalistic 3D designs. ;_; It's not like pixel art, normies don't get why you would intentionally derez something, even if you're specifically trying to match a certain era of 3D.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 23:43:01 2019 No.665067 >>664980 Now post the Sasuke one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 23:51:00 2019 No.665068 >>664981 Use a smoothed shading technique and drop the solid colors in favor of hand painted styled textures

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 01:00:10 2019 No.665072 >>664980 For PS1 and N64 Was it more efficient to have limbs as separate objects because warping elbow/knee mesh was too computer intensive, or did they not use animation tools that would deform mesh with skin weights? Or is it purely stylistic?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 01:28:01 2019 No.665078 >>665072 it was done to have a lower poly count

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 08:28:26 2019 No.665116

>>665072
Non-continuous meshes are less poly heavy and you don't need to worry about deformations. It's a thing I did in commercial work up until 1999, because you never noticed it if the textures were properly done to hide the transitions. The lower screen resolutions also helped a lot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 09:50:17 2019 No.665127 File: 2.33 MB, 320x320, tanuki.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>664980 now with 33,8688 % more fixed-point arithmetic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 13:00:25 2019 No.665149 >>665127 I absolutely love this one. Wish I could see the wireframe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 15:04:53 2019 No.665176 >>665127 So I guess the "improvements" were a success, eh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 15:54:44 2019 No.665181 File: 1.32 MB, 1358x1390, wireframe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>665149

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 17:25:09 2019 No.665195 >>665181 Why so much UV space for the "improvement"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 18:47:29 2019 No.665211 >>665181 Nice. Though there's a mistake with the texture on the balls; you see his dick on both sides.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:09:58 2019 No.665426 >>665004 >>665035 What's memepoly mean to you /3/? Where do you draw the line?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:40:39 2019 No.665434 >>665426 having a different smoothing group for every polygon in place of having textures

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 15:52:06 2019 No.665453 Can someone point me towards some good resources to start learning low poly? I occasionally try my hand at it but it always ends up looking like meme poly more than anything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 17:09:38 2019 No.665489 >>665181 >>665127 Holy shit those fucking testicles!

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 17:30:14 2019 No.665493 >>665453 I started off staring at the wireframe of a guy's models that closest matched my aesthetic choice.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 20:35:34 2019 No.665534
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>>665127
>>665181
That's actually a pretty clever way to do low poly genetalia I think I'll use it in my next project. I always assumed that all the body parts of a character mesh had to be connected but this approach still looks pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 07:57:48 2019 No.665600 >>665127 >>664980 Can you give link to the vr thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 08:00:12 2019 No.665601 >>665127 >>664159 >>663740 >>660170 >>657339 >>657331 How do I make gif like these? I'm on Blender.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 14:46:52 2019 No.665662 >>665127 >Tanuki statue from Goemon's Great Adventure >Floating point errors The N64 never had floating point errors. Only games on the PS1 and Sega Saturn ever did this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 15:42:09 2019 No.665669 File: 57 KB, 247x232, unimaginable-disappointment.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>665662 >typical /3/ buzzkill autist shitting up the place

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 20:11:31 2019 No.666022 File: 824 KB, 2560x1440, Donut jpeg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More Donuts for Andrew the Donut God

Anonymous Mon Feb 4 20:20:01 2019 No.666025

>>665601
.gif is not a file format supported by Blender... like... at all. Probably due to GPL stuff. You should render out frames to a lossless format, .png will do, then use a separate program to create an animated .gif from the images. I've done this with WebMs, I'm sure you can find something for the .gif format. Hell, you can do this in Photoshop, I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 21:51:28 2019 No.666041 File: 848 KB, 1920x2160, tekken 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>665453 Download PCSXR and use the line mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 21:52:33 2019 No.666042 File: 780 KB, 1920x2160, tekken 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>666041

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 21:53:38 2019 No.666043 File: 887 KB, 1920x2160, tekken 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>666042

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 03:57:13 2019 No.666389 >>663235 why wouldn't you have been? It's a clearly definable 3D human and probably the first you had ever seen

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 07:39:47 2019 No.666411 >>663235 This post wins the "Zoomer of the week" award

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 19:12:17 2019 No.666477 File: 1.50 MB, 540x567, Sherry....gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>666389

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 23:41:05 2019 No.666507 >>663235 If you aren`t you lost your imagination bro, soon you could become an npc

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 8 09:43:24 2019 No.666542 >>666025 >>665601 Just use Licecap

Anonymous Fri Feb 8 10:59:18 2019 No.666557

>>666477
Nothing wrong with that? You can't do much better with the same polycount and no shaders. The limbs are separate like that because the hardware could not yet run weighted skins in real-time smooth enough for it to be worth the performance hit.

Also when wiewed in low res on a CRT TV it looks a lot cooler IMO than it does in HD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 8 12:24:00 2019 No.666570 >>666477 You are not supposed to play/view these games like that. Even good RGB monitors at the time introduced some blur and smoothing to the output.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 9 08:14:39 2019 No.666691 >>657340 >>657342 these are really nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 9 16:49:09 2019 No.666726 File: 172 KB, 1259x1214, Harle.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Feb 10 14:24:23 2019 No.666847
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This is the first time I've tried imitating someone else's style in 3D and I think I learned a lot. I just wish I could have done it with >2000 faces...

>>657342
>>657340
>>666691
>>658689

This looks like it's from that Ooblets game, look into the people working on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 14:30:02 2019 No.666848 File: 276 KB, 540x552, tumblr_odu1lb3r2R1qexkv0o1_540.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>657342 >>657340 >>666847 Ah nm. Found her: http://momoss.tumblr.com/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 18:21:07 2019 No.666879 File: 562 KB, 420x315, 6pyyyq.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 21:07:42 2019 No.667042 >>666848 I wish she posted more wireframes

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 20:22:29 2019 No.667515 >>660285 How can I learn to make textures like this?

Anonymous Thu Feb 14 20:53:32 2019 No.667520

>>667515
Those are just flat lit textures, you just paint them with values exactly as you see in that picture.

If you don't understand what colors goes where and why you can check out people painting miniature figures like warhammer etc, they shade and highlight following the same basic formula.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 15 03:57:21 2019 No.667564 >>662693 Rock textures I'm guessing

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 15 04:09:38 2019 No.667565 >>665534 IMO, it needs to be connected when it makes sense that it would be seamless transition AND it is seen, if they can't see/aren't shown the transition why waste poly connecting geometry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 15 20:32:54 2019 No.667670 >>667565 That makes sense but wouldn't you run into problems if you tried to animate it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 08:50:10 2019 No.667713 File: 160 KB, 800x402, uv.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can i avoid this when using project from view? When i try to arrange the UV map my selection moves in multiple places at once

Anonymous Sat Feb 16 09:58:26 2019 No.667718
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>>667713
Nevermind, found out that i had to disable the UV/Mesh Sync selection and arrange the UV while having the whole mesh selected.

Also found this tutorial very helpful if anyone is interested in doing low poly with pixel art textures http://www.celsiusgs.com/blog/2011/07/low-poly-modelling-screencast/

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 14:43:06 2019 No.667746 File: 46 KB, 603x336, cinescape-603x336-198386.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>657322 It's 2019 and I still don't understand UV mapping.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 15:39:46 2019 No.667754 File: 58 KB, 900x900, LP1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>667718 Made these today

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 16:22:37 2019 No.667757 >>667754 Nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 16:23:08 2019 No.667758 >>667746 Mark your seams (Ctrl+E), then (U)nwrap That's pretty much it. Ctrl+L to select all connected UVs. Ctrl+A to average sizes of UV islands in the UV editor. Ctrl+P to pack it... but ti sucks massive dick, so you have to place shit by hand anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 18:45:07 2019 No.667767 >>667758 In what tool?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:57:19 2019 No.667857 File: 2.82 MB, 397x387, SamuraiMonster1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made this lowpoly thing yesterday: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/retro-samurai-monster-7823669e72b840e292a95658fe8088f7 >>667767 Blender

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:07:33 2019 No.667862 File: 539 KB, 1007x711, Railgun1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>667857 Also made a couple of guns that are sure to trigger /k/ https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/retro-lowpoly-railgun-930d9dfe05bb4af1abcdb409d13351aa

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:08:42 2019 No.667863 File: 398 KB, 799x599, plasmagun1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>667862 https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/retro-lowpoly-gun-5ba1da98cf3b491590d51a93b186bfa5

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:35:36 2019 No.667869 >>667863 The models are nice, but why do you drown them in postprocessing like DoF and CA? Are you retarded or do you just have no taste?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:05:23 2019 No.667906 >>667857 >>667862 >>667863 Nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:24:55 2019 No.667911 >>666726 how do you make crumpled cloth texture?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:45:17 2019 No.667913 >>667911 You draw it. By hinting at the shadows/highlights a fold would create.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 22:09:29 2019 No.667948 >>667869 There's no CA, you're blind. That said, yeah, I'm probably retard without taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 18 08:06:17 2019 No.668004 >>667948 This one has CA turned on. >>667863 I am just saying, don't do retro style with modern effects, it makes no sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 18 09:02:17 2019 No.668013 >>667857 the character is cool but those weapons are awful

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 18 15:40:24 2019 No.668073 File: 263 KB, 640x640, bucketsss.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] me makes buckets

Anonymous Fri Feb 22 16:26:25 2019 No.668733 [DELETED]

Reviving a dead thread with an undead guy.
162 tris. My first attempt at low poly. What do you think? Did I avoid being memepoly? I was to lazy to try to figure out how to texture it so I used vertex colours.

>>665601
I just rendered all the frames as pngs, then used ezgif.com to compile them into a gif. I tried to do it as an AVI, but the website limits you to 10 seconds if you convert a 25 fps video.
Also if you do it in Eevee, set the Filter size to 0.01 to disable antialiasing.

Anonymous Fri Feb 22 16:27:55 2019 No.668734
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Reviving a dead thread with an undead guy.
162 tris. My first attempt at low poly. What do you think? Did I avoid being memepoly? I was to lazy to try to figure out how to texture it so I used vertex colours.

>>665601
I just rendered all the frames as pngs, then used ezgif.com to compile them into a gif. I tried to do it as an AVI, but the website limits you to 10 seconds if you convert a 25 fps video.
Also if you do it in Eevee, set the Filter size to 0.01 to disable antialiasing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 22 17:05:11 2019 No.668739 >>667767 Edit mode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 1 20:28:48 2019 No.669808 >>666879 How can I make textures like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:18:27 2019 No.669869 File: 52 KB, 600x753, 224965f67dee93682d9f04e82e08ec8b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>668734 Devil be gone

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:27:29 2019 No.669872 >>669808 One pixel at a time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 19:54:10 2019 No.669942 >>657322 Do you really think that a main character in games needs to be so low poly. Ramp it up a bit. Good job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 21:02:48 2019 No.669946 >>669942 not about detail, its about aesthetic and fitting the theme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 21:08:10 2019 No.669947 >>665662 >poly jitter =/ texture warping idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 21:20:23 2019 No.669948 >>665662 no they did't? ps1 and saturn used a fixed point position, they dont have have a floating point system lol and its not an error.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:12:49 2019 No.670240 >>669869 What did they mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 22:07:51 2019 No.670295 >>669947 That model doesn't have texture warping either you dumb nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 07:52:06 2019 No.670358 >>666041 >>666042 I dont know anything about 3d so am a noob, but why so may triangles and no squares? I hear arguing here about if squares or triangles are better for "reasons" but never really understood that either. Figured it was performance based.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 07:57:41 2019 No.670360

>>670358
It's very simple, what's happening here is triangulation. If you notice you can easily merge all these triangles to form squares (quads, if you will). All game engines will triangulate all quads (i.e. split all squares into triangles) because it's simply something easier for the game engine to handle, as triangles are the most basic shape.
As for the argument, if you've seen us argue about that on /3/ before then you've definitely seen all the real technical reasons, just never bothered to understand them. It's okay, it's incredibly irrelevant to you if you don't do 3D art.

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 15:42:43 2019 No.671030
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Absolute beginner here. If I'm beginning to build low poly assets for use in a game, what size should I start? Does it matter? Does this question reveal fundamental misunderstanding and idiocy?

Anonymous Sun Mar 10 20:06:34 2019 No.671220

>>671030
Depends on the engine you're using. And I assume that by size you mean the number of polygons. Most modern engines can handle more polygons than any low poly model is gonna use, so don't worry about it unless you're really trying to squeeze out some performance, at which point you'll just have to experiment on your own.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 10 21:49:08 2019 No.671276 >>671030 In case you meant size, not complexity. Use real world size, unless you have a solid reason not to.

Anonymous Mon Mar 11 08:41:28 2019 No.671363

>>671276
Why confusion comes from not understanding how the data of a 3D asset compares to say a png. If I'm trying to optimize my 2D work, I make my pngs tiny pixel assets and limit unnecessary art with mirroring, etc. What is the equivalent in 3D? Should I build very small shapes?
>>671276
Real world size? Like 1:1 scale? This statement confuses me. Sorry!

Anonymous Mon Mar 11 08:54:43 2019 No.671364

>>671363
Yeah, real world size. If you have a bed a table and an stool, you build them in real world scale so that everything matches proportionally when you put them together in an scene.

I am confused with what you mean with your first question.
You can mirror and instantiate objects in 3D. If you have an object that is symmetrical, you model one side and mirror it to the other. No reason to do the same thing twice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 11 15:26:05 2019 No.671445 File: 799 KB, 200x189, tumblr_inline_oyx3uzQ8xM1t2r02b_540.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>663721 i am genuinely discomforted by the vibe of this image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 11 18:37:13 2019 No.671480 >>663740 needsmorebounce

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 11 18:45:49 2019 No.671481 >>671445 That'll hopefully be the general atmosphere excluding some places. I communicate with extradimensional beings through psychedelics and meditation for guidance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 12 20:21:21 2019 No.671682 >>671480 I always find breast physics on low poly assets really uncomfortable. They just don't look soft enough to justify that sort of thing.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 04:15:32 2019 No.671725

>>671682
not him
Depends how low poly we're talking, I made a dreamcast-esque low poly model of a lizard girl with big boobs just to see if it was possible to give such a thing sex appeal in our current era. I can't tell if I succeeded because I'm lonely and insane.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 05:09:21 2019 No.671731 >>671725 >lizard girl with big boobs Not that guy, but shouldn't lizard girls be flat chested? >>671682 >not manually animated low poly boob jiggle by moving around one vert nipples.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 05:45:10 2019 No.671733 >>671731 Jewish black magic created lizard/dragon tits, canonically in the lore I wrote.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 05:52:47 2019 No.671735 >>671733 never change

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 11:45:41 2019 No.671763

>>671725
>dreamcast-esque low poly model of a lizard girl with big boobs
Post it, or if it's already in the thread an I missed it, link it and call me a retard

>>671731
Even if it's manually animated it's weird. If your character looks like they're origami, they should move like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 13:02:15 2019 No.671774 >>667863 >>667862 From /k/ here, it looks fucking slick. Like something straight out of district 9; is that where you got your reference? Because it looks really good.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 16:10:25 2019 No.671805

>>671364
Let me clarify. If I'm making art that is not intensive on the computer for a 2D game, I'll make the sprites tiny, have few sprites in general, use tiles etc etc. What would be the equivalent in a 3D game? Does making a model real world size, ie a 4ft tall table, be intensive on the machine? Do you make intentionally small models so the textures don't have to be large? Ultimately this question is useless, as I'll learn this stuff as I go, it was more a quick query in case I was wasting time.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:12:53 2019 No.671856
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>>671763
It was my first attempt at a female. Wide hips and big butts do not seem to translate well into low poly weighting, but I'm also a retard and just started 8 months ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:06:11 2019 No.671863 >>671856 It's really not that bad, but I think the texturing would be better if it were a more uniform resolution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:24:08 2019 No.671932 File: 24 KB, 99x133, send_bobs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>671856 show udders

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:41:36 2019 No.671948

>>671805
>Does making a model real world size, ie a 4ft tall table, be intensive on the machine? Do you make intentionally small models so the textures don't have to be large?
3d models become more costly based on their complexity, not their size. Think of increasing the size of an object like zooming in on a sprite. A 1 meter wide cube is just as hard to render as a 10 meter one, and a 10cm tall highly detailed character is more computationally expensive than any cube could ever be.
Think of you vertices as pixels, and the size of your model as the how close your face is to the screen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:36:00 2019 No.671961 File: 1.17 MB, 500x500, 1548987126277.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>671948 Thanks teach

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 04:00:46 2019 No.672072
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>>671774
Thanks a lot!
I didn't really use a specific reference - These are commissions for a very lowpoly Quake-like game a guy is making. It's very nice to work for him, because he literally lets me make whatever I feel like.
Here's a shotgun I made for the same game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:22:21 2019 No.672115 >>672072 Damn that's nice I'm jelly, any tutorials or tips you have?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:32:45 2019 No.672117
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>>672115
Afraid I don't have anything very specific, but this tutorial was a great help when I started out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiIoWrOlIRw

This was also helpful for figuring out more about what you could do with UVs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiQOHSzyooc

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:33:57 2019 No.672119 >>672117 Thanks man

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:40:16 2019 No.672124 File: 1.74 MB, 391x557, tumblr_or7dm83mGR1usc8qto1_400.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>672119 No problem - and good luck!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 17:42:07 2019 No.672400 >>672124 I always have issues getting the texture right. Im not a painter so it all just seems so alien.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 12:03:08 2019 No.673790 >>663188 Do it anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 12:09:17 2019 No.673796 File: 94 KB, 960x540, Magnamite-HD-Compare.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 12:32:01 2019 No.673800 Man, all of these look so amazing. Despite being so low poly texture/res. How to learn this??

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 21:28:01 2019 No.673872 >>673796 Soulless

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 20:27:41 2019 No.674523 File: 124 KB, 797x720, erebebii stadium.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 30 20:29:29 2019 No.674525 File: 41 KB, 498x464, red legends.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never finished the texture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 1 10:09:47 2019 No.674806 >>673800 Just practice.

Anonymous Wed Apr 3 13:08:38 2019 No.675130

>>673800
I'm >>668734 so I don't know if it's exactly "good" but I literally just figured it out from looking at this thread, watching some super Mario 64 speedruns, and a couple YouTube videos about the evolution of Mario, sonic and crash bandicoot's models. If you know how to use 3d software and can stop worrying about topology or intersecting geometry, it's actually super easy to get started.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:12:28 2019 No.675425 >>672072 >>672117 These are really nice.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:37:24 2019 No.675828
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After seeing this thread, my interest for low poly modeling has been peaked.

What 3d modeling software is best for that kind of low poly graphics at a beginner level.

Pic not related

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 10:55:44 2019 No.675860 >>675828 For a hobbyist beginner level, just use blender. It's free and tutorials are well documented.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 11 09:28:25 2019 No.676344 >>668073 nice

Anonymous Thu Apr 11 10:02:55 2019 No.676352
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>go to polycount.com
>the last low poly challenge was three years ago
>google for other online communities interested in low poly modelling
>find basically nothing

How is this possible?

Anonymous Thu Apr 11 10:19:03 2019 No.676354

>>676352
Outside of the indie market, no one's really interested in low-poly? There's a reason why all the memepoly bullshit is only done by indie hipsters. Hollywood's too busy with photorealistic CG and the game industry's trying to push even more verts in every scene with each title.
It's very much a retro thing, it's like asking why they don't make CRT monitors anymore or why we stopped using optical media. Sure, people still like them and they have a very strong novelty factor, but the truth of the matter is that it's old tech and people want to move forward.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 11 10:48:28 2019 No.676361 >>676354 >why we stopped using optical media. This nigga doesn't use a 20 terabyte tape drive as cold storage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 11 11:59:33 2019 No.676379 >>676352 It's a niche interest and most younger 3d artists don't even learn it. >>676361 Your loss

Anonymous Fri Apr 12 05:27:18 2019 No.676502

>>676354
That's not what's going on, though.

There are plenty of people interested in it - the lowpoly hashtags on twitter and tumblr are active, and there's a decent amount of it on deviantart too, but...

There's basically no discussion. Nobody talks about their techniques, nobody shares pointers. It's all just 'here's my new thing' and 'wow thats cool' and 'I'm taking comissions!'

Nobody is like 'here's how I modelled and textured this flame effect', 'Here's my workflow modeling these sorts of things'.

Nobody exchanges anything other than images and praise. No information is shared.

Anonymous Fri Apr 12 06:07:45 2019 No.676504

>>676502
>"outside of the indie market"
>twitter tumblr deviantart
Yeah, those platforms are very much indie.
>It's all just 'here's my new thing' and 'wow thats cool' and 'I'm taking comissions!'
If you put it that way, then think about it this way: it's a niche that has valuable interest if people can make money off it (through commissions or even just the general exposure/interest). Since it's a niche, i.e. not many people know its inner workings, expecting all those juicy Trade Secrets to come piling out is kinda silly, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 23:04:10 2019 No.677343 File: 486 KB, 182x190, 1546033773008.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660190

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 23:22:47 2019 No.678467 >>665453 >>666041 There's also plenty of ripped models you can download on ModelsResource

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:30:12 2019 No.678717 File: 226 KB, 411x425, 1555062637857.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] posting more...

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:30:52 2019 No.678718 File: 97 KB, 475x800, 1554906699294.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:31:38 2019 No.678719 File: 88 KB, 600x600, 1469079416219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dogie

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:32:48 2019 No.678720 File: 141 KB, 1185x1241, kim.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:33:48 2019 No.678721 File: 12 KB, 320x306, C3T3IFjm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:35:16 2019 No.678722 File: 346 KB, 1084x1058, 1555071480112.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:36:58 2019 No.678723 File: 992 KB, 379x379, 1555068008992.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] cel shading

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:56:35 2019 No.678724 >>678722 >getting bamboozled vs bamboozling

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 13:53:17 2019 No.678770 >>678722 >SOUL VS >SOULLESS

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 18:08:04 2019 No.678805 File: 384 KB, 256x511, psx_reverence.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>678722 Note that all character textures were simplified for the N64 version

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 04:08:15 2019 No.678882 File: 40 KB, 445x503, 1541275577234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>678722 >mipmapping

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 06:27:25 2019 No.678890

>>678882
That's not mipmapping anon, mipmaps are downsized resolution images you use to speed things up as objects becomes too distant to warrant a very detailed texture, what you see there is rather anti-aliasing filtering on the texture sampling on the N64 vs none of that being applied on the PSX.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 09:16:52 2019 No.678901 >>678890 thats not mip mapping either

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:04:10 2019 No.678940 >>678901 https://web.archive.org/web/20140414134825/http://staff.cs.psu.ac.th/iew/cs344-481/p1-williams.pdf There's the paper that introduced them to the world anon. See for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 17:14:15 2019 No.678976 >>678882 That's (bi?)linear texture filtering, anon However I'm not sure if the N64 used mipmapping, though I assume it did, I'd just assume it would be a net deficit on such limited hardware, especially on storage and memory

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 20:12:34 2019 No.679007 >>678940 yes thats mip mapping, but youre example >>678890 is not mip mapping.

Anonymous Wed May 1 00:39:42 2019 No.679931
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Some examples from modern games of low-poly used for distance models. Pic is from Sekiro, it's the low-poly model of Ashina castle when seen from Mount Kongo. used Cheat Engine to get there.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 00:41:20 2019 No.679932 File: 827 KB, 1875x938, dark souls 3 Church low poly.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>679931 More, this time from Dark Souls 3.

Anonymous Wed May 1 00:50:32 2019 No.679936
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>>679931
Here's one of the houses in the distance in Final Fantasy 15. I can't remember the part of the game it's from, probably one of the low-model polys of the towns that you see as you drive around.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 00:55:55 2019 No.679937 File: 3.87 MB, 1639x1028, Capvdsvdsvdture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>679936 A close-up of that model:

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 08:15:34 2019 No.679960 >>674525 Pose it, animate it rotating and post the gif on reddit with a watermark for your site/social media and you'll probably get a lot of attention and shares. The watermark part is important as people will spread it without attribution.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:00:22 2019 No.680005 how long does it take you to model, rig, weight, UV map, and make a texture? it takes me like a full day if I work nonstop to make one model, jesus

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 23:01:46 2019 No.680180 >>657340 lacks depth

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 09:07:36 2019 No.682736 >>660335 Sculpting isn't 3D modelling. It's a childs toy for people who don't understand shape economy.

Anonymous Sat May 18 09:12:54 2019 No.682737

>>667746
Imagine the model is made out of paper and you have to find the best way to cut it to lay it flat without losing too many connections
Also make sure you assign new materials to selected parts of a mesh or you'll waste your time and ruin everything.

Anonymous Mon May 20 17:38:34 2019 No.683085
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What is low poly's thoughts on modular systems, and the reuses of assets to save resources such as texture flipping and things of that nature.
I like to manually line up my UV maps, and reuse the texture on crates, boxes, and walls Because I suck at Texturing, and don't mind the busy work with the UV map to makeup for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 20:42:43 2019 No.683437 File: 24 KB, 694x761, Screenshot_46.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this good lowpoly guys?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 20:59:28 2019 No.683440 >>683437 As a reflection of your artistic ability, I think it's still a bit too high on the polycount.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 21:07:30 2019 No.683444 >>683440 ty anon. Also why is making bodies so much fucking harder?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 21:56:45 2019 No.683452 >>683440 >>683444 actually its too low poly, its just your painting skills are not the best

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