Are normies ruining Unreal Engine 4?

[Anonymous No.494753]

Every time I go on a gaming website or board everyone is talking about "muh ue4 photorealism". I just feel like whenever somebody makes something impressive in UE4, people never commend the artist, just the engine.
And that's the thing, graphical improvements are driven by artists, programmers set the foundation.
As t/3/apots greater than I have said,"It's not about the paintbrush or canvas, but rather about the artist."

[Anonymous No.494754]

Unreal Engine 4 "Photorealism" demos are mostly Pre Baked everything. The only thing that gives it the illusion that you are no just looking at lighting baked into textures is a spec map.

[Anonymous No.494757]

the thing about "photorealism" in CGI is that once it moves and animates unless its mocapped it always looks uncanny, 100% of the time.

[Anonymous No.494761]

>>494753
>daily reminder that when we see someone winning the Formula 1 Gran Prix, we say that was the better car, not the best pilot.

[Anonymous No.494764]

>People still use lightmass

[Anonymous No.494774]

>>494753
Computer graphics is ultimately dependent on the shaders, post processing filters and lighting models.
It's not like computer graphics is being innovated by artists tasked with making mesh and texture, it's being innovated by software engineers and tech artists.

Everyone understands that the best artist in the world could never make a PS2 game look as good as he could a PS4 game etc because the algorithms and hardware just doesn't allow it.
It's not hard to understand why we marvel at technology rather than artistic accomplishment as we already know artists can make better graphics than what's currently on offer if given the tools.

If you want actual personal fame as an artist outside of your own community and friends and family etc that is impressed on what you do, you really shouldnt get into an anonymous field like computer graphics.
Best you can hope for is having a character or project you worked on become famous, which in turn will make the name of the studio you worked for become famous in your place.

[Anonymous No.494783]

>come here from /r9k/ for the first time
>pepe post raging about normies
I feel right at home here.
I tried UE too, but I think most normies don't have a PC good enough for it.

[Anonymous No.494785]

>>494764
>lightmass
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN!

[Invertex No.494789]

>>494785
It's just an advanced form of baked global illumination. So most of it can't change dynamically. Whereas new lighting methods that have come out with the "PBR" craze have replaced these ancient methods with fully dynamic ones that are also more accurate.

[Anonymous No.494791]

>>494764
as opposed to what ?

[Anonymous No.494797]

>>494753
>muh ue4 photorealism
that's because they don't realize any engine that can use image textures can do photorealism.

[Anonymous No.494798]

>>494761
>referring to a driver as a pilot

[Anonymous No.494802]

>>494798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ09vOXWWoE

[Anonymous No.494811]

>>494785
>>494791
Voxel cone tracing .

[Anonymous No.494812]

>>494757
I've always questioned why AAA games from huge studios have such shitty animations? I know nothing about animation at all, but how do games such as Grand Theft Auto 5 have the choppiest animations ever? Is it simply due to the large quantities of animations that needed to be produced? Just shitty animators?

[Anonymous No.494848]

>>494812
They are all motion capped, human motion just looks like dog shit.

[Anonymous No.494849]

>>494848
every action has to be "exagerrated"

[Anonymous No.494853]

>>494812
Animations have to play at a certain speed, and if they'd be played at real-world speed you'd get bored to hell and back just by watching your character climb into a car for the 500th time.
If we had real-world animation speed in games, they'd become slow as fuck.
Also, like >>494849 said, animations have to be exagerrated in poses and motions to show the player exactly what is going on and to make them interesting.

[Anonymous No.494854]

>>494853
They don't "have to be". Right now, every animation that tries to be real even from AAA looks unrealistic and uncanny as fuck. It's god-awful horse spit

[Anonymous No.494855]

>>494854
Also keep in mind that game animations aren't one long animation, they're made up of several mixed animations to introduce flexibility into the system.
You can't mix using complex functions though, most system do linear and maybe cubic interpolation, anything that'd feel more natural would make animations the #1 resource drain in any game.

[Anonymous No.494858]

>>494855
Whatever "system" "they" have in place looks godawful and needs to be killed

[Anonymous No.494865]

>>494848
>>494849
>>494853
I mean moreso during the cutscenes than anything. Animations during actual gameplay are understandable, but maybe they're exaggerating a lot of it, but how can the character reach and pickup a bottle drink and the arm be choppy as hell and the drink look like it's lagging behind the hand?

[Anonymous No.494868]

>>494811
Lightmass isn't voxel cone tracing, it's shitty pre-baked lighting breh. Voxel cone tracing is what they tried to replace it with but it took too much processing power.

[Anonymous No.494899]

>>494868
I know. But I meant to reply only to >>494791, not >>494785

[Anonymous No.494903]

>>494853
A fit person can climb into a car in like 2 seconds. What takes time is strapping yourself to the seat, grinding your butt into a comfy position
ignite the engine, stove away the phone, and tinker with the radio/music, things you probably wanna keep skipping even in realistic games.

Animation in games that attempt to be realistic feels off because they're just these blendings between set animations.
A real human body can improvise unbalanced stances as needed, turn on a dime and shape itself to slide past cramped spaces without bumping into things.
But a real human body has eyes to understand and make future predictions about the surroundings and a brain to move the limbs around that surrounding.
Where a CG character has like a few raycasts for vision to see if the next step is blocked and a algorithm of perhaps a few thousand lines in place of the brain.

[Anonymous No.494915]

>>494903
uncanny valley animation is the gta 5 style. its below shit tier

[Anonymous No.494920]

>>494812
its becuase high quality animation takes a lot of time. there is a huge quantity of animation required for games and not enough time to make it as well animated as say, live action cg

[Anonymous No.494921]

>>494920
You have all the time you want to make a game. Companies choose to have shit tier gta / last of us anim style. It's all bullshit moneygrabs

[Anonymous No.494922]

-Huge amount of animations required.

-Animations need to be blendable.

-Animations need to be constrained to a one-fit-all rig.

-Rig is low fidelity because it's a game engine and you can't go fucking crazy.

-Open world games can't have as much detail in each rig.

-Animations have to not take forever as to bore the player.

-technical issues when importing the animation in the engine due to incompetent programmers

-bad animators

These all take part in the issue.

[Anonymous No.494926]

>>494922
You're describing band aid fixes for a problem that requires open heart surgery at the least. The uncanny valley perpetuates itself with all of these little "fixes". The results are laughable.

Just look at this shit - "muh realism PBR" and "muh beyond shit anim"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB0xy74Zrj8

[Anonymous No.494934]

>>494921
It takes 5-10 hours to make ONE second of animation, mate.

[Anonymous No.494935]

>>494934
*Citation Needed

[Anonymous No.494936]

>>494935
*Several timelapse videos on youtube and my own experience

[Anonymous No.494937]

>>494936
You're slow as shit and your results are probably as shit as >>494926 so your findings are null and void. Have a good day, faggot.

[Anonymous No.494940]

>>494937
You forgot to call me "kid".

[Anonymous No.494942]

>>494940
Lolwit?

[Anonymous No.494943]

>>494934

If you spend more than 5 hours making 5-10 keyframes using a rig designed for a videogame then you've fucked up.

[Anonymous No.494949]

>>494943
he's talking about seconds not keyframes, fuck up.

[Anonymous No.494950]

In all seriousness, there are too many people trying to go for realism. It'll almost never work out, definitely not until at least 5 years from now.

However, since realism is so popular, smarter people can make stylized games that look and feel better.

[Anonymous No.494952]

>>494950
>However, since realism is so popular, smarter people can make stylized games that look and feel better.
like what?

[Anonymous No.494954]

>>494952
Games with uniqueness comparable to that of kirby. Shovel knight did so well because of its uniqueness, too.

[Anonymous No.494956]

>>494954
>kirby
>shovelknight

what are you thinjking of next, bub? No Man's Sky? Stop being a sheep.

[Anonymous No.494959]

>>494956
I've got my own ideas in that got me a spot with Nintendo. If they didn't like my work, I'm sure I'd be coming up with something else.

[Anonymous No.494961]

>>494959
Sounds like your taste is gay and hipster as fuck, same with nintendo

[Anonymous No.494963]

>>494961
Cool. And what major company pays you for your work as a game designer?

[Anonymous No.494976]

>>494963
I'm not in it for the money. I love 3d art and do it as a hobby / enthusiast while working a real job away from a computer. You wish you were me.

[Anonymous No.494980]

>>494976
Whatever floats your boat, I guess. I certainly won't complain about having a career doing what I love.

[Anonymous No.494981]

>>494980
I sure as hell won't buy no nintendo crap you're shilling. Fuck, I won't even get near that queer wii shit. Stay away from this board.

[Anonymous No.494986]

>>494981
Uh...okay? Good for you...?

[Anonymous No.494987]

>>494986
That's all you got?

[Anonymous No.494995]

>>494987
All I got for what?

[Anonymous No.494996]

>>494995
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[Anonymous No.495076]

THREAD SUCCESSFULLY DERAILED

[Anonymous No.495078]

The only practical use for photorealism in game engines is for showrooms and such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTt7AGIpV2I