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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:30:28 2015 No.464924 [Reply] [Original]

Differences between Blender, 3DS, and Maya for incoming artists? Money isn't an issue, but what I want is pure features and what you can do more easier with what software.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:22:42 2015 No.464925 Maya over max over blender as far as features go. But choosing between max/Maya/any other program really depends on what you want to use it for. Could you be more specific?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:31:35 2015 No.464927

Reminds me of an analogy I read on another thread where software = hand tools. Maya versus max is like a saw versus a drill. These three all work wood but it depends what you need it for.
I guess blender would be like a screwdriver. It could potentially shape wood but it's more effective at causing brain damage

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:31:56 2015 No.464954

Never used Maya, but as far as features go, I'd definitely go with Blender over 3DS. I'm going to compare the programs out-of-the-box as objectively as I can.

Blender has built-in sculpting, game engine, fluid and smoke simulator (last time i checked max didn't).

Both of the programs use modifier stacks, and it seems max has more modifiers with fewer settings while blender has fewer modifiers with more settings (you can get pretty much the same result in both)

Max has better viewport in terms of performance. Blender stutters at around 2mil polys, something that is planned to get improved this year. However, as far as my personal experience goes, max has a lot of unresolved viewport issues, something I've never experienced with blender. Also max has some weird

The two programs are eachothers exact opposites. It's nearly impossible to love both UI's as they are so different. Personally I like Blenders the most because it seems a lot more responsive. For instance, in 3DS, the program isn't aware where your cursor is. If I were to move my cursor to a scrollbar on the ui after modelling, and just scroll, the camera would zoom in.

Where Max would really surpass Blender would be high-poly modelling. Simply because Blender cannot handle too many polys without hiding some elements from your scene while working.

Blender has much better box modelling. And I base that off one, major difference. Blender has the capability of constructing faceless mesh. That is, a mesh constructed of vertices and edges, but no faces in between. This is a major gamechanger and after using it you'll never go back.

Hotkeys are also much better in Blender. It doesn't matter if you're extruding a vertice, an edge, a face, a bezier curve, a single or multiple. It's always the hotkey E. Same goes with filling being hotkey F, whereas in max you'd have to scroll down the right-hand panel and find the bridge tool or assign a hotkey for it manually.

>inb4 "blender has a shit ui"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:04:59 2015 No.464961 File: 112 KB, 824x980, reactHalf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>464954 >Never used Maya, but as far as features go, I'd definitely go with Blender over 3DS

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:26:59 2015 No.464964

everyone on /3/ is so fucking vanilla it hurts.

listen OP, I'm going to tell you out right, it doesnt matter. AT ALL. Period. I like max's modelling tools the best. I like Maya's UV unwrapping the best. Blender has awesome nuances that make it enjoyable to use all around. The UIs are all different, but none of them suck there is an ambitious reason why Blender's is so atypical.

More companies are using Maya, so I would start there, but i would actually advise you get at least a little familiar with all of them.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:32:58 2015 No.464966

I would advise you go to a community like CGsociety or something similar. You shouldn't ask for advice here everyone is a noob who makes piss poor models for Garry's mod in their basement disguised as professionals. The only thing you will get out of this is a software war where everyone sniffs their own farts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:34:05 2015 No.464967 File: 79 KB, 500x461, 1405640375974.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>464966 >CGSociety

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:59:52 2015 No.464971 >>464966 polycount is good too, if game art is your thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:01:21 2015 No.464972 >a

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:51:55 2015 No.464979 >>464966 >>464964 >>464954 OP here. I'll start with blender since I am only going to do low poly stuff for now. I'll see about using trials of other programs next month after messing around with Blender for the time being.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:30:52 2015 No.464982

>>464979
My advice to you would be finding the hotkeys for the things you need instead of the UI button.
Here's a cheat sheet on the most commonly used keys to get you started:

tab - toggle edit / object mode
e - extrude
f - fill / connect
w - specials
g - grab / move
s - scale
r - rotate
a - select all / nothing
shift+d - dublicate
ctrl+b - bevel / chamfer

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:35:33 2015 No.464983 >>464982 Thanks! As an artist who uses Photoshop, I'm better with shortcut keys and slower navigating UI elements. I'm watching a character modeling tutorial on Blender ATM. Hopefully I can make a low poly char.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 17:10:07 2015 No.464993 >>464983 this might sound weird, but its easy to get pulled into the "omg blender is the best everything else sux" mindset. I was like that for a little bit, then I learned all 3. Just remember its just a tool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 17:19:56 2015 No.464994 >>464993 drum roll...........what do you have to show for it, noob....

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 17:21:05 2015 No.464996 >>464954 >I'd definitely go with Blender over 3DS Stopped reading there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 17:55:26 2015 No.464998 >>464924 >money isn't an issue Hire hundreds of mexicans to do the calculations by hand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:25:42 2015 No.465003 >>464993 It is also easy to get pulled into the "omg blender is shit" mindset. Because it's free and not a standard. This is the kind of reasoning that suppressed atheism many years ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:01:44 2015 No.465048 >>464927 Blender is a hammer. When you have it, all problems are nails.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:06:25 2015 No.465056 >>465048 That's a pretty accurate analogy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:24:44 2015 No.465057 >>465048 >>465056 >samefag >>465003 Nope, it actually just is pretty shit compared to Maya, Modo and 3DSMax.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:01:04 2015 No.465059 >>465057 What can be asserted without raisins can be dismissed without raisins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:48:58 2015 No.465061 >>464967 without the ridiculous highlight over the top gums this would be awesome

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:04:42 2015 No.465064 >>465059 >Pot calling the kettle black.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:14:43 2015 No.465065
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My career in 3D goes:

Started in Lightwave
Moved to Maya 3 years ago
Tried Max, didn't like the interface
Interested in checking out a few of The Foundary products next, like MODO

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:25:55 2015 No.465067

>>464924
Alrighty, I do work in the industry i'll give you a run down.

Blender is horrible in relation to its UI, Tools, Features and so on.. However it does have a few neat features.

don't advertise that you use it, you won't get hired mostly because your advertising that your using that program.

people don't care most of the time..

Max, Useable because the UI is layout good and is great for most things however it has some bad features and other issues that it just doesn't do right.

Maya, A trend.. Basically we took blender then threw up all over the UI and then gave it some nice features and added stuff from softbox.

Zbrush, Great program, Has shit UI however its pretty simple once you understand it and has good tools as well.

They actually listen to their users.

In an ideal world you would learn a single program, however you really need ZBrush and something that can model and animate.

Max or Maya? Maya is recommended. Sadly. However its your choice, So i don't care what program you use.

if money is no object, buy both max and maya along with zbrush.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:44:06 2015 No.465068

>>465067
Whether a UI is horrible or not is subjective. It is not a fact that blenders UI is bad. It is only horrible to you because you do not know how to use it. Comprende?

But you are right, you will miss out on some workplaces if you choose it, because it is easier for a company to hire another guy than to include another program in their pipeline.

Maya is probably the best all-around choice.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:58:00 2015 No.465069

>>465067
>Max, Useable because the UI is layout good and is great for most things
That right there proved you do not work in the industry and are simply someone who decided to learn Max and thus prefer its UI over others. Even most Max users agree that the UI is horribly setup, especially compared to Maya's well labeled and organized UI. And let's not forget the hotbox and radial quick menus that Maya has which speed up workflow immensely. The separate of UI elements is much clearer in Maya, and the Viewport 2.0 is miles ahead of what Max has now.

Maya is not a trend, it is simply a better choice than Max now. Autodesk is killing off Max, cry more.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:38:29 2015 No.465120
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OP Here.
After using Blender for the last day, the UI isn't really that confusing. I don't see why people have such a big problem with it. :/

Or maybe its my problem for adapting easy to change.

I made a little low poly bunny character from my art and am really liking it. I added texture and cloth physics to the cloths, but I'm on my phone now and this is the last screenshot I took.

The only problem I'm having is rigging and I heard that rigging low poly chars is hard. Seems like it.

Blender is nice, but I'll try some other programs this weekend.

Anonymous Tue Mar 3 00:20:00 2015 No.465210
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>>465120
Well now since you've decided to learn blender first of course you're going to prefer it over anything new you try. You should have learned max first. It would have been easier for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 01:23:28 2015 No.465221 >>465210 Then I would have preferred Max over the rest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 14:57:57 2015 No.465263 >>465221 Yes, which would have been a good thing. Now you've learned the worse software and won't be willing to change.

Anonymous Tue Mar 3 14:59:20 2015 No.465265
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>>465221
And at least by learning max you would have learned actual 3d, and not just "keyboard shortcuts", so you could actually transfer your knowledge into maya or whatever else you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 15:00:50 2015 No.465266 File: 78 KB, 480x360, 1417315116520.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>465265 >And at least by learning max you would have learned actual 3d, and not just "keyboard shortcuts",

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 15:08:51 2015 No.465268 >>465120 What to heck? Did you watch a tutorial or do you have previous experience? Because learning about edge loops, where to use triangles, and making "complex" (>100 polys, for beginners) models like that in your first day is pretty impressive.

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:19:37 2015 No.465552

>>465268
OP here. Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but no previous experience. Just tried to follow tutorials. I'm making different models now without the use of tutorials and they are coming out nice.

Funny thing is, I was just about to look up what "edge loops" are because people keep talking about them, haha.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 15:36:51 2015 No.465724 File: 170 KB, 1200x684, 1788_tid_fig_06.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>465552 Are edge loops extra verts around joints to more realistically move a limb?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:50:26 2015 No.465746 File: 65 KB, 1119x733, edgeloop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>465724 This is an edge loop. In Blender you can place them with ctrl+r

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:54:45 2015 No.465749 >>465724 Yes those are there so that the deformation is more fluid

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:15:12 2015 No.465881

>>465210
Nah I don't think this is completely true. I used Blender on and off for years, then tried Modo one day and just straight-up switched to it. It's miles better and I can't really tolerate going back to Blender now.

(Blender does have a few nifty modifers though.)

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