/3/ - 3DCG

sup?

>>801218
Hopefully somebody makes a porn game out of it

Wait wait wait.... Is this going to be free as well? Holy shit, Epic is absolutely insane. I'm not a character artist so I'd LOVE to have a free option to create some fast shit like SpeedTree, so I can add some additional life to my scenes.

What is their end goal? I still can't believe how many tools they gave away for free.

>>801223
what is every corporations end goal?
to set a monopoly on everything, they're playing the long game
you think Timmy does this shit out of kindness of his heart?

>>801223
their goal is to demolish their competition
https://youtu.be/6mAF5dWZXcI
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/digital-humans?sessionInvalidated=true

>>801223
The end goal is to have everyone spamming asset flip games like you're planning to do instead of taking the time to make something worthwhile.

Photojournalist sculptors BTFO

>>801232
t.assmad artist getting phased out

>>801232
Nice assumptions, bro.

wonder what will the options be for exporting to different game engines/3D software or if there will be any at all

>>801234
Damn autocorrect, my post has been ruined

https://twitter.com/andorade/status/1359531026482139144

if i would have used unreal engine earlier i'd have a fuck ton of free assets because they give away stuff every month, lots of nature packs were in there. and i missed them all. it's really sad and i hate myself for not having grabbed them.
it's incredible how people can still shill against epic.

>>801252
That's FOMO. Just focus on what you need.

>>801255
it's not fomo, i could use all those trees, plants, flowers and stuff. also they had a completely rigged and animated farm animal pack for free for a month (pic related)
i want to make an rpg and this would have been incredibly useful

Soulless

Character models that an idiot could use - check
Materials and scanned assets that an idiot could use to make whole environments - check
What's next? Extrapolating motion from video instead of mocap?

>>801218
what the fuck is this supposed to be?

>>801258
>he wants to be a company slave for some soulless game instead of getting free tools to make his own game
k spotted the stone age mindset brainlet

>>801260
oh no bro i'm not bashing it i think it's quite exciting tbqh

I tried warning you. I tried repeating the message in different ways. I tried guiding you to the answer that the gates of "making it" were closing. You didn't listen. The prominence of the tech industry conglomerates has become too vast. Their reach will ensure that the little guy will be swept away in a mass of mud and rain, unable to compete because everyone will be flocking towards the promise of "easy game dev".

By controlling the software, they will control who will succeed and who will fall. Locking out competition from being able to produce and keep up, corporations will continue to develop software that will eat up the skillsets utilized by the exceptional little guys. Once these little guys are unable to eat at the profits of the mega-corporations, the monopolies, duopolies, and merge technocracies will be unstoppable. We already see this with social media, film and art. Hardcore alliances among the industry giants that stomp on any uprising the minority sends out. You are witnessing the closing grasp of an iron gauntlet around the little guys neck. You still don't believe me. You were never going to listen.

I will give you one final message. A word to the wise. A message to you: You have less than five years to make it. If you cannot create your financially successful game by 2025~, you will be locked behind the initial gate needed to persevere and compete against these gigantic bastions of control. Without millions of dollars in funding and net worth, you will not be able to compete in terms of skill, and will have to utilize "Marketing" like everyone else. Your days are numbered. Your time is limited. Get your games out now to make good money, or you will be just like everyone else - a sucker. The days of the exceptional are over. The time of the mediocre is now.

>>801262
couldn't tell. lots of negative people here who bash everything even if it's good

>>801258
What's next? Extrapolating motion from video instead of mocap?
Yes Nvidia works on it and Epic invest in Houdine for Simulation Animations.

>>801263
Lol based doomsdayduckposter

>>801231
does "free sample" imply its not gonna be free

>>801270
it's probably like a demo

>>801258
>>801260
>>801262
>>801264
metaHuman is NOT made for games
unless you're fine with mediocrity saturating a medium
than you cucks can suck each other some more

>>801263
AHHHHHHH I DIDNT LISTENNNN NOOOOO MY PROFITTTTTSSS

>>801263
Oh yeah the pioneer's age in games it's over. But it's been over for two decades. You don't have greater chances of making it in the industry as an "indie", than by working for some established studio.

As the barrier of entry lowers, more people will be able to work in this industry, not less. We've seen it with the explosion of productions, both big and small. And consumer demand for this sort of content keeps increasing. There may be more people at the table, but the cake has grown bigger.

>>801218
*ethnic diverse mutts appear*
dropped

imagine the porn with it

>>801218
> cloud-based
fuck

Nevermind, Ducky from above. I rescind my gloat, this thing is garbage for real use case. Your warning of being squashed by the big corporations is still real, but this is just another slow crawl. You still only have until 2025 though. Explanation:

-Cloud based, Web Browser/Package Downloader akin to the garbage CC3 that shitters use
-Costs money to blend some morphs online and import into your package alongside an impractical skeleton.
-Limited morph sets. Likely going to be more added but right now you're literally going to see a preset endeavor unfold, leaving the masses with lookalikes and samefaces. It will be relatively easy to spot the piss poor skills utilized alongside the sterilized corporate character models. Character artists currently have nothing to fear.
-Impractical control rig inside UE4. Better to just use rigs inside Maya with CJs and bake out the animations instead.

Best use case is to tear their "implementation" apart and take what you need from it. I suggest looking at their pose drivers, materials, and how they setup clothing. Component rigs are really cool, I already had one setup but theirs also has some more details I missed from their documentation. I suggest downloading the same project. All in all, this is something that will bring more water up towards the neck, but only one to two inches. Not much will change except more shitters will think they have a chance at making it. For any character artist this is your godsend to get you working in Unreal, but not by using their intended work method. Pick and choose what areas you're struggling with right now, you'll likely find it in there and be able to inform and expand your ability.

What a shit heap lol.

cont:

One thing that must be noted is that the facial animation is a legitimate achievement. By adopting their facial rigs and paralleling yours to theirs, you will be able to achieve similar if not outright copies of their quality on your own custom characters (not brought in by their meetahooman garbage). The use case is indie available facial animation at little to no setup cost. Prepare for a lot more walking simulators with more cinematics, akin to Gone Home but you sit around talking for ten thousand hours talking to a lesbian(s) about (t)he(i)r period(s). I would say that there are few indies that actually care about motion cap facial animations in game, and the ones that do are boomer retards.

Still, download the sample.

>>801222
This. It’s going to be insane

>>801218

>>801257
Meme. This is going to become industry standard

>>801272
What about RenPy type games?

every time i feel like and i'm told it's all over, it's never actually over, just another specialized tool
i mean, we had human generators and automatic rigging or highly customizable easy to attach ready rigs, yet everyone still made everything from scratch

but i'll totally dig the porn with it because armatures is the main target audience of such tools
big boys always try to use their own stuff

>>801272
>metaHuman is NOT made for games
>unless you're fine with mediocrity saturating a medium

Games have been saturated by mediocrity for the last 10 years. Why hire artists to remake the same fucking model over and over again?

>>801258
>Extrapolating motion from video instead of mocap?

Has been possible since the Xbox kinect. Doing it with a common webcam or phone camera is probably 5 years away at most.

>>801218
All that for 56%

Wow another tool for making photorealistic humans with zero actual artistic process involved whatsoever, surely this will justify the next 5 AAA titles being massively overbudget and abusing their workers with crunch

>>801256
I would play a petting zoo simulator with ear and wool physics

>>801218
Looks like more limited version of CC3 and prob going to force you to use unreal too
meh

>>801218
between this and ue5 upgrades is unity dead?

>>801263
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

>>801252
>>801256
You bought into the shilling of retards, you have nobody but yourself to blame. That said, asset packs like that provide source assets for a reason: you're supposed to modify them to fit your work (your game, in your case). You're not supposed to just dump them in as they are (unless they somehow match your art direction just right), just dumping them in leads to the soulless asset flip look.

>>801272
They have settings for this stuff anon, how about you research things before talking? They're targeting all the way down to mobile.

>>801329
No Tim that will never happen.

>>801329
Unity had too many years of total market dominance within its sector (indies etc.) to die quickly. A lot of people who have spent years devving in Unity and accrued a lot of experience won't switch over easily.

However yes, the downward spiral has started a while ago. Very few that are looking to start nowadays will look at the market and go "hmm yeah lets go with Unity over UE4 (let alone UE5)".

>>801345
Does that mean future games will look and play even more samey than today ?

>>801345
I doubt it. Programmers and artists have a different mentality. While UE4 can look flashy it doesn't support C# and other tools out of the box. The thing is also a resource hog and bloats your file size. I bet they will also make it compulsory to be on the Epic store first in the coming years.

>it's not made for games
>it's just free to use for games
ehm?

>>801354

Fucking based Tim.

>>801351
True, even though Unity with HDRP has become pretty messy and heavy as well.

>>801236
>>801237
Yiddish corporate hands typed this

>>801308
And you could put on a cnfy retro synth cover of Pet Sounds as the soundtrack

>>801218
DAZlets are finished

of course they had to put NIGGERS in it

>>801378
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. You can't just post that man. Are you even thinking? Capitalize the O in the Of and leave a period at the end of your sentence. Grow up already.

>>801232
At least we don't have to see the same Make Human models over, and over again in 3D porn unity flips.

Its not stylized or robotic so its quite boring.

>>801377
>DAZlets are finished
only if you get some good monster model, so you can make they hold hands with female models and other lewd things

>>801342
technical requirements are not the issue here
this shit is made to replace bank clerks or whatever human interface big corpos are forced to oblige by right now
i'd rather stand in line because someone is jerking off in the back room behind the counter than interface with a fucking machine
but i guess autismos are going to be rejoiced once shit like this fully develops

>>801377
Nah man, there's no way Epic can keep up with dazlets' degeneracy.

>>801396
>i'd rather stand in line because someone is jerking off in the back room behind the counter than interface with a fucking machine
you sound like sarah connor in the terminator franchise

>>801396
Anon you make it sound like you live at the beginning of the industrial revolution and not in the year of our lord 2021

>>801397
>pic
My mind thinks cringe but my heart says based.

>>800000

>>801218
Imagine the incoming storm of deepfakes.

>>801425
I can't wait
I will
I WILL
COOOOOOOOOM

>>801351
>I bet they will also make it compulsory to be on the Epic store first in the coming years.
That's never going to be their strategy, they'll just continue what they're already doing which is to incentivize devs with competitive pricing.

>>801226
Its not gonna work, because they are retarded and UE is trash.

>>801415
i get it, human contact is something that frightens you
>>801398
don't get me wrong, i'm all for technological progress, but imagine getting buttplugged by faggolice because you couldn't look directly into AI counter niggress' eyes at the DMV because it instantly read your biometric data
instead of her meat counterpart just looking at whatever iteration of the kardashian transmovement on her phone while you hand her some documents

>>801451
based and redpilled

>>801232
Unreal is the new Unity

>>801452
>i get it, human contact is something that frightens you
No, what I meant is that the world is already heavily mechanized compared to any other point in human history and that it has been like this for a while.

>>801256
Mfw I claimed everything epic ever have out for free

>>801270
The tools will be released later on

>>801436
Lol

>>801373
The ultimate tuberbait

>>801354
you can't beat that price

>>801258
>>801299
>extrapolating motion from video instead of mocap?

i don't know shit about this stuff so sorry for my ignorance but

Can someone explain why this isn't possible yet? I don't see why it's more difficult than the stuff we're able to do with facial tracking that makes those filters on tiktok/snapchat/instagram work so well

>>801631
probably hard to detect from all angles the face is static all the time basically if you turn around it won't pick up anything or jitter or sometshit

>>801218
Why must they force disgusting and repulsive niggers into everything?!

>>801223
Nothing is free. There is or will be a cost one way or another. Remeber, Tencent owns 40% of Epic.

>>801218

Metahumans? Color me unimpressed.

>>801231
>>801218
AskNk tried out the facial capture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL6PQgy66o

>>801286
I suggest looking at their pose drivers, materials, and how they setup clothing.
Pretty sure they have some old vids and project examples that walk you through that.

>>801711

>>801711
>watching a thousand hours of boring drek instead of downloading their up to date sceen

lol dumbass

>>801286
>cloud based horseshit

great now we get to pay a subscriptoon every month like my netflix!! whoaaaaa so cool and hip guise

i hope someone firebombs their hq.

>>801397
>this except better graphics on the ue4

someone needs to lock these loonie whackjobs up. dazoids are going to ruin everything.

>>801378
basketball american, joggers, or gorilla gluegers, is preferred anon. please get with the times.

>>801718
It's probably gonna be free for UE4 users, just like Megascans.

>>801263
I mean worst case scenario: couldn't character artists just create presets for shit like this rather than making whole characters?

This looks like it'd be a create a sim from sims 10 or something and plenty of people make money on patreon just from making basic content for it. I feel like there will always be a demand for people that can create.

>>801718
but it's free bro
https://twitter.com/UnrealEngine/status/1359579257303945220

>>801744
Yep, people will make hair, clothing, textures, morphs, and vagene mods for this. It's gonna be Daz for gaymes.

>>801349
Samey was Unity’s whole shtick, though

>>801218
Really neat.
I've just been making do with Fuse to add some people to my work, but this looks pretty cool. Never really got the point of making people from scratch since you'll always know it's off if you can't pull it off well enough. So it'd bring down the entire work if there's something slightly wrong with the person. And making people was never really my focus.

Fuse was alright, but the people made in it never stood up to much scrutiny, so I'd always have them far from the camera, more for the silhouette of a person for the mind to fill in the details themselves. Maybe with this I can get some people closer to the camera. Here's hoping the clothing included is somewhat decent and has some variety to build up and on.

Granted, I'll still have to actually be able to animate them well, but this is a decent start. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

>>801218
it's like Daz Studio but in real time

>>801218
It's just less horny Daz fuck off doomposters

>>801256
you've never heard of cgpeers?

isnt this basically daz3d with sliders? or am i missing something here

>>801980
It’s Daz, but potentially less degenerate

>>801982
No it's more degenerate. I'm going to make every type of brown mutt from America and if Epic doesn't allow it due to software or policy limitations I'll start a campaign to cancel Epic for being racist against people of color. I have a thousand sockpuppets on Twitter I do what I want.

>>801983
Dude, a famous dazlet got caught under fire by the woke police specifically for making dark women using his favorite doll software. (He won in the end)

>>801983
>>801987

>>801988
>>801987
The absolute state of americans

>>801992
If you count only the lunatics on the west coast as "americans".

>>801263
Are you implying that five years in the future people will lose any interest in "home made/indie products"?

>>801982
Give it's time.

>>801521
Good point. Why would they spit on the 5% in royalty fees they're collecting from games sold outside of the EGS?

>>801987
>(He won in the end)
How? I want to be prepared.

looks pretty cool. you will still need guys who can model/sculpt stylized looking characters a la tf2 or overwatch tho

>>801995
No I consider the West Coast (and Canada) as Chinese colonies

>>801218
Neat, can't wait for the extreme fetish mods such as hyper muscle, hyper genitals, multi limb, and floor tiles.

>>802047
He just ignored the bullshit and continues to get paid with his virtual model methods

>>801779
>>801923
>>801933
>>801980
(et all)
haven't used daz in 10+ years. are daz faces any decent now, or all you people are memeing/blind?

>>802091
>are daz faces any decent
No, they are not. They've made some small improvements on the eyes and added FACS, but that's all.

>>802063
Fair point.

>>801987
If he made only white models they'd say he's perpetuating white beauty standards and he's racist. Just ignore black people.

>>801987
lmao this is the same as rednecks blaming pajeet engineers for stealing jobs they were never going to get

>>802606
>t. Poojeet

>>801252
Exclusivity is inherently anti customer. Fuck epic with a rake.

>>801712
>>doing digital blackface

when will he be cancelled?

>>801263
My job is animating furry vore porn with a ripoff model from Cystal the space fox
This does not apply to me

>>801295
Its gonna become a generic shitfest in the long run.

>>801218
I actually love this. Western artists needed a kick in the balls to remember them that "muh creativity" means nothing against the power of computers and machines

>>801252
Their Quixel assets range wildly in quality. You probably didn't miss out on much if you didn't need to get it.

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/

All these fancy character creators, paid, and unpaid (paid to win), and yet none of them are as versatile as a character creator from a fucking illusionsoft porn game. What gives?

>>801218
I wonder how versatile it'll be.
Will you literally be able to make any face you want, cloning celebrities and people you know?
If the answer is yes, there is about to be a huge market for accurate models to be used in porn.

>>803819
Just like there's tons of "super accurate" Daz porn too, huh?

>>803834
Daz looks like shit but don't pretend there aren't a shitload of celebrity pornos made with it.
Just because an old tool doesn't do something well doesn't mean that a new one can't.

>>803841
>don't pretend there aren't a shitload of celebrity pornos made with it.
There is, that's what I'm saying.

>Just because an old tool doesn't do something well doesn't mean that a new one can't.
A tool is only as good as its user. Daz looks like shit because the people using it are shit. If the same autists who make shitty celeb Daz porn got their hands on this, it'll still look just as shitty. It doesn't matter how good a tool is, if those autists can barely match a celebrity likeness with sliders in Daz, they'll be hard-pressed to do the same in anything else.

>>803245
In a way, don't you wish it did..?

>>803367
>none of them are as versatile as a character creator from a fucking illusionsoft porn game
That'd be because there's more leeway with stylized characters. No "uncanny" effect.

>>803861
I think the problem might be that Daz is somewhat obscure to the general public, it's harder to get into.
Metahumans is literally going to be a web tool that runs on every machine regardless of computing power, hard to get more accessible than that.
The end result is that it's going to have a much wider userbase than Daz could even dream of.
I grant that it'll only be as good as the time and effort people are willing to invest, but ideally a wider userbase will lead to more people willing to put that effort in.

>>803948
That's true, sure, but the people with the time and skill to invest into making a proper celeb likeness probably won't do so due to the potential fallout and legal ramifications. Which leaves the autists to pick up the torch, and we all know their track-record.

>>803976
>the potential fallout and legal ramifications
That sure hasn't stopped deepfake porn, I'll tell you that much.

>>803252
It's become crystal clear for at least a decade now that this "creativity" bullshit has been losing its meaning when it comes to 3D. Digital sculpting just doesn't feel the same as IRL sculpting. This niche has always been meant to be automated, with only slight artistic touches here and there to make it seem more genuine.

>>804061
This
People are bitching about how this is going to make every game look identical because everyone aside from some AAA devs will just use this tool
But if we're truly moving to graphics that will inevitably be 1:1 with reality, then no shit everything will start to look the same

the only good that will come of this is western game devs be making ugly characters anymore, even if they do all look similar.

>>804114
I'm sure people like Druckmann will still find a way

>>804053
People aren't putting deepfake porn on their portfolios either, or at least begging for patreon money.

>>804192
Maybe not for porn, but there's a huge online culture centered around celebrity swap-outs in films and tv shows.
Those guys are more than happy to take your patreon money.

>>803337
Cool, now animate them.

>>801987
maybe black people should just look the way white people want them to look then they will have all the jobs.

>>801987
God, is there anything more annoying in this world than negresses?

>>802613
>avionics engineer from India
>Poojet

>>805279
If you're Indian then you automatically lost the game of life.

>>801218
don't care, not using anything made by tim the swine

>>805291
yes you will

>>801223
That's communism communism not good

>>805291
>UE5 will allow you to import directly from ZBrush, this statue has more than 33 million triangles no baked normal maps, no authored LODs *dramatic pause* and there are more than 500 exact copies of that statue placed in this room for a total of 16 billion triangles
You will use UE5. And you will love it.

>>805882
tell me where you gonna store all these assets.

>>805882
UE5 beta is supposed to become available next week if rumors are true. Hype.

I'm sure it will be buggy as hell in the beginning, but I just wanna try out Lumen so bad.

Speaking of Nanite, those are instanced though. Idk what would happen if you had hundreds of different assets with high polycount in the scene. Having 500 exact copies wasn't really a real world example. I do wonder how that will potentially change asset creation workflow in the future.

>>805883
uhh, on my computer?? what is your question really

>>805885
are you ready to store these 3tb of multi mullion poly unoptimized assets for a 12 hours game on your pc?

>>805884
>imports megatextures, applies them, unmodified, directly imported high-poly sculptures, and sets ray tracing to always-on
heh, nothing personal >>805883, but it looks like time has left you behind

>>805888
and fills up an entire hard drive for a single game
it will work only in a cloud

>>805887
that shit isn't my problem. I play factorio and football manager. i'm only here to sculpt things lmao

>>805890
just sayin', you dreams of shitting out 12mil sculpts directly into the engine aren't here yet

>>805291
>don't care, not using anything made by tim the swine

what did the guy do?

This is a comparison of the eye glamour shots from both the Metahumans and CC3 trailers.
You'll have to forgive the fucked up black bars, there's no avoiding it.
Depending on how accurately you believe the trailers represent the respective products, this is going to be a ridiculous improvement over CC3.
Makes the best solution on the market look like a fucking Sims creator.

>>805887

The high poly count will be bottlenecked by storage but it def still opens up the floodgates for great looking hero assets

>>805993
it opens up the floodgates only for props which have little issues with optimizing to begin with. everything is very easily baked in into the maps. it may be good for blendmask workflow when there's no unique materials, just a preset of stuff with blending masks.
for char art this means jack shit becaue tell me how you gonna rig dem million polys and tell me where you gonna get a pixar supercomputers to calculate real time vertex movement during deformation.
which we clearly seen at the reveal. we had retarded high poly rocks and stupid cartoony women from 2016 at best. metahuman looks like it wants to fill the gap, but overall i'm still skeptical.
biggest issue with real time is, well, real time. considering current trend of being poor, no one will have powerful systems or consoles to run these 12 gb high poly rocks. simply because no matter how you gonna decimate that fucking rock, it's still a 12 gb high poly rock. in a world, where 1060\2060\3060 is your standard platform. whatever.
in general, epic is just retarded. they missed out on megatextures, their engine is a captive of it's own shading and quircks, it's a giant mess to modify and build mechanics, blueprints are a neat idea, but all together it all comes down to half-assed, barely working adventure-shooters which look the same. in a world ruled by game design with ps3 graphics at best and populated by poor people. fortnite didn't teach them a thing. astonishing.
it's gonna be ok only if it runs in a cloud, but cloud won't cover anything outside big cities, and developers don't want to miss out on 70% of population.

>>806012
Unreal Engine isn't used just for games anymore, and other industries like filmmakers could benefit a lot from these new technologies. I, as a creator, am very happy about it (if it actually turns out the way they said it would).

>>806019
agreed. i am talking only about real time games. i'm not touching cg at all and i understand they will benefit greatly from unreal's development strategy.

>>803337
WTF is that thing in the upper-right corner?

>>806068
AI residue

>>806069
Yeah I see what you mean now, thank you. I just generated this creepy-ass photo myself.

>>806068
The quality of the output of a neural network stands or falls with the quality of training data you put in. Also generative adversarial networks are not perfect. This variant can't make sense of partly obscured training data i.e. parts of faces at the edges, so it generates nonsense.

>>806072
Forgot pic, derp...

>>806068
BLARGH

>>806073
That's pretty interesting anon, thanks.

>>806075

>>805976
The eyelashes alone are a major fucking improvement, also the reflections.

>>805976
CC3 can't do tear ducts for shit wtf

>>801263
>what is agario
>what is slitherio
>what is roblox
>what is among us
No everything related to games is about realism and 4k textures. Graphics cucks are so retarded.

>>803337
I got a hottie.

>>806225
Well looks like the ai took Mia Melano face as a reference

>>801222
based coomer

>>801263
this but some mistakes:
They own the software yes but after the new world digital currency the entire economy becomes fully controlled by the Elite.
One benefit is having whoever they'd like run things like Silicon Valley or vidya, animation etc.

It's been the era of Nepotism since both Napolean and hitler failed to establish a new system of meritocracy that rivals the elites system of nepotism and collusion.

Only now are the peasants feeling it with diversity hires

>>807411

>>801218
Why western devs/artists fetishise so hard over realism? Do their little peanut brains go into meltdown mode when they can’t ground and strictly codify something? When will UE finally leave the uncanny valley and why the water still looks like a liquid plastic?

>>807472
Mimesis is a hell of a drug.