/3/ - 3DCG

>>677621
Blender is unironically faster and more intuitive.
Here you go: blender.org

>>677875
>unironically faster and more intuitive
lmao

>>677875

kek. Stupid blendlet. Blender has the worst performance out of any 3d software.

>>677875
silly little blendlet

>>677875
Blender can't even handle 500k verts properly.

>>677875
Stick your thumb up your ass and play helicopter

>>677875
Top fucking lel

>>677889
and i thought modo is bad at high poly
lmao

>>677875
This is a fucking joke.
Even I use blender and I know for a fact it starts to crap out around 1m verts. Even with decent specs. 5m would take ages just to get ready to render.

>>677875
every single fucking time

>>677875
I come here for my daily cringe dose. Thank you, Anon.

Wait are modelling programs not able to handle a lot of polys? The fuck do you do when you are ordered to set up a complex scene with buildings?

>>678530
It depends, some suites like for example 3ds max always ran the viewport smooth using regular gaming cards in directX or OpenGL. But maya was a high maintenance bitch who wanted you to buy her dedicated (and very expensive) workstation cards in order to perform well.

Not sure how it stands nowdays in that regard. But basically if you wanted to run maya well back in the day you would've needed a ~$1000 videocard.

>>678530
You work with what you actually need, using packed geometry/lighter display modes for everything else. Are you laying out a park? You set the buildings to bounding box mode. Are you putting some benches? You set the park vegetation to bounding boxes, etc.

>>678530
Use instances and shit where the actual geometry doesn't have to be loaded interactively but it knows what's what for rendering.

>>678530
Use multi res modifiers on buildings and only set them to highest res during final renders.

>>677879
>Blender's performance worse than Maya "can I crash at your place frequently bro"
lmao

>>677889
>>678002
What kind of toasters are you working on?
I stopped using Zbrush because sculpting works just as well in Blender now. 10m tris is no problem, and I never really have much reason to go beyond that.

>>678579
Will I be disappointed if I give you the benefit of the doubt and go check Blender's new sculpting functionalities?

>>678583
Extremely.

>>677621

Dont japs still use this. Actually what was the name of that japanese modelling app built on Feng shui principles. All the modeling tools where on trays that slid out when you clicked on them.

>>678591
>the secret to feng shui is to keep all your stuff in drawers...
Brb, remodeling my house.

>>678592

Keep me informed.

>>678579
I7-7700k, GTX 1080ti (8gb), 16gb RAM. I don't think my toaster is the problem.

>>678596
Same as me, except I got 32gb RAM.
Not surw what your problem is.

>>678607
Dunno. Viewport performance does about as well as expected, only really starts to struggle around 3-5m verts. Even when using low-poly instanced objects. Navigating the viewport is fine, but going into edit mode, or doing anything that needs processing takes a while.
When rendering that's where it really struggles as it has to cache BVH and do all sorts of other things, even on scenes with only camera movement. It's a lot of down time doing what seems like nothing, and it rebuilds the shit every frame, despite nothing changing.
Just one of those things I guess, I just wish it was more performant.

>>678653
>Edit mode with 5m tris
What. Why would you do that?
Sculpt mode works fine.
Also, retopo before you render? It's not like Zbrush lets you go into a vert edit mode with millions of tris or render shit with a real rendering engine.

>>678656
>It's not like Zbrush lets you go into a vert edit mode
You can manipulate individual vertices in ZBrush.

>>678658
Try doing that on a 5m model in Zbrush?

>>678591

Nips still use it for a lot of shit, IIRC the Guilty Gears games are done in XSI.
When their page was still up there were a ton of cool use cases blogs like Tekkonkinkreet and MGS4.

>>678593
Why is this woman popping up everywhere all of a sudden?

>>678674
It’s the new president of Syria

I've seen XSI software for sale on eBay and other places. Older versions like 5. Would there be any way to actually register the software?

>>678656
>Why would you do that?
Because you can? I said verts as well. That's way less tris than you're thinking.
Sometimes you need to go into a sculpt and push things around manually without sculpting.

How many there are shouldn't matter as much as having the program perform reasonably well with whatever is thrown at it.

>>678695
If you're going to "push things around" then just use a move brush. There's no need to enter any vert edit mode for that.

>How many there are shouldn't matter as much as having the program perform reasonably well with whatever is thrown at it.
That's not how it works, Anon.

>>678786
It's not a specific case anon. I'm just saying it as an example. There will be cases where you will have to enter edit mode with high poly objects. Having a program perform well should be expected if your hardware meets and exceeds the requirements. If other programs can handle 10m verts without breaking a sweat, then I don't see why expecting Blender to do the same is out of the range of possibility. Especially when they act like it's a "professional" product.

>>678689
Probably not. Best bet is just use the old crack/keygen. I never messed with XSI a lot, but if it's anything like Maya the exact same keygen worked for like 15+ years, basically from day 1 up until at least the first version or two under AutoDesk.

>>678793
>If other programs can handle 10m verts without breaking a sweat, then I don't see why expecting Blender to do the same is out of the range of possibility
What "other programs" would that be?
Not Zbrush, that's for sure.

>>678661
use level 1 subdiv you fucking pizza roll

>>678804
daily Zbrush user here, it 100% handles more than 10M verts

>>678826
You can do that in Blender as well, so what's your argument? How fucking dense are you?

>>678827
That's true. But for everything sub 10m you might as well use Blender.

>>678834
>But for everything sub 0.1m you might as well use Blender.
FTFY

>>678837
>>678793
>>678653
>>678002
>>677889
Are you guys lying and/or retarded?

>thread goes silent

>>678842
no /3/ is just slow, just like blender :)

>>678845
>Blender
>slow
If there's anything Blender can boast about, it certainly is speed.
Dumb little autocuck.

>>678846
how about you come back to that when you actually do projects blendlet.

>>678838
Now go into edit mode, select 100k verts with circle select and start moving them around. Enjoy your one frame per minute.

>>678856
Sure, if you do it in Zbrush first.
Also, the move brush does that just fine in sculpt mode. Learn to use your tools properly.

>>678834
>You can do that in Blender as well, so what's your argument? How fucking dense are you?

Anons were talking about manipulating individual vertices in ZBrush and I was replying about that. How fucking hard is it to read and understand context before vomiting the usual blendlet spam?

How the fuck is this happening, again, this time on a thread about XSI?

They should create a board called /blend/ and let you morons circlejerk open-source dicks all day on it.

>>678857
Move brush is dogshit that's mapped to whatever your view is. Half the time it doesn't even grab the right shit unless you mask it. Edit mode you can define the exact parts you want to move, and move them in any direction without doing any bullshit with the camera.

>>678596
>1080 Ti
>8GB

Spotted the fucking liar, it's 11GB and there are no 8GB SKUs.

i'm interested in making models for a video game and i've been having fun making mockups in zbrush, but is softimage still worthwhile to use for making lowpoly? i have a hard time getting smooth or hard edges in zbrush, mostly it's bumpy due to clay buildup on certain parts.

The stages of the blendlet:

1. Other software can't do X, so X is not relevant
2. Other software can now do X, but X is actually not important
3. BLENDER CAN NOW DO X!!1, OTHER SOFTWARE IS REKT LOL

>>678530
Blender has layers.

Blender.org

>>678902
The stages of the autocuck:

1. Blender lacks functionality
2. Okay, but Blender is worse at it
3. OKAY, BUT MUH INDUSTRY

>>678868
>Anons were talking about manipulating individual vertices in ZBrush and I was replying about that
And he got multiple replies to that. You can't move millions of verts in vert edit mode without chugging in either software, so the argument is completely moot.

>How the fuck is this happening, again, this time on a thread about XSI?
Because the OP opened with saying XSI was better optimized than other 3D software packages, which is just retarded. It just proves that OP has only ever used Maya, which is a terrible, buggy, unoptimized mess.

>>678932
We are still at step 1. Don't get ahead of yourselves.

>>678932
The stages of the blendlet:
1. student, poor or not the brightest candle on the cake
2. high and noble goals, fails miserably, settles for doing animated bestiality porn
3. poverty and depression, vents rage from poor life choices on random Bangladeshi kite testing forum
4. eventually digs itself out of the hole, taking the Autodesk pill or blames others(or his father) for being a total fuckup at 30, sells his ass to strangers in a shady back alley.

>>678938
>student
>not using Maya
CG schools is the main reason Maya even exists to this day. It's garbage, but because schools force it, it remains "industry standard".
Seriously, give Blender a go. It's ridiculous how much faster it is to work with than Maya.

>>678939
blender has a place in my pipeline as a converter tool, but Maya & Houdini are at the center and that's not changing anytime soon.

Its bizarre to me how often blendlets bring up autodesk and maya.

>>678946

It's because they are insecure. Same goes with Godotlets. They delude themselves into thinking it will take over unity, unreal and proprietary game engines. Open source faggots are the worst.

>>677621
Its called jewery, why improve an "old" (lul) computer when you can spend money on new ones, they literally promote new Nvidia processors, CPUs and cases on their events.

>>678941
Then you don't know what you are missing.

>>678946
Perhaps it all goes back to Roosendaal watching his baby Blender lose to Maya on the free market.

>>678963
What would that be?
Rigging/Skinning? Blender can't hold a candle to Maya when it comes to that. Sculpting and painting maybe? I use Zbrush for that. Animation? Again, Maya pulls ahead. Rendering? Again, RenderMan for Maya got me covered. Cloth? MarvelousDesigner. Dynamics, sims and effects? Houdini humbles them all.
Compositing? I have licenses for NUKE and Fusion.

What is it anon? What am I missing?

>>678967

Dude don't bother arguing with blendies. They don't know any better.

>>678967

Poly modeling. That's the only thing Blender is (very) good at.

>>678975
I'd rather fire up 3ds or Modo

>>678946
Because it's Mayaplebs who learned CG in school and never tried Blender who make anti-Blender shitposts all day long.
Most be how you project your insecurities or something.

>>678984
I think you need to reread this thread's chain of events very carefully. Blendlets are the only ones bringing up other software.

>>678984
Wut? Autodesk lives in your heads 24/7, rent-free. Blendlets are FUCKING obsessed with AD.

>>678884
I thought all 1080s were ti. I didn't think there's a difference, just marketing.

>>678975
>Poly modeling. That's the only thing Blender is (acceptably) good at.
FTFY

Rent-free.

>>678996
>look guys! look at us, we use blender!

>>678996

Wage-free

>>678997

kek. Blendlets being blendlets.

>>678975
no lmao thats what its worst at

>>678977
holy based

>>678996
>Don't blend in. Stand out.
>imagine being this scared
Sincerest form of flattery.
Autodesklets on suicide watch

>>679017
you blendlets sure love to project, while everyone is going to leave you behind

>>679017
Do you really think that slogan was made with Blender in mind? LMAO

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>>679024

Blendlets are fucking Manson family tier, blenderskelter when?

>>679018
>>679024
>>679026

>>677621
I bought softimage xsi 7.5 when it came out. Then they immediately got bought out by fucking Autodesk.. .

>>679035

>hurrrr only autodesk joos hate us!!!

You're just like muslims. You behave like shit and blame it on the jews.

>>679131
You need to look at the bigger picture.

>>679202
Typical conspiracy nut post.

>>678939
this whole post is a b8 meme that needs to die

>>678967
/thread, basically

>>679014

No I fucking hate blender and even I am willing to admit that blender's modeling tools are great.

>>679238
then you dont know how to model faggot

is softimage still work using if i'm just doing it for fun? like in terms of its modelling capabilities is it actually better than the other alternative programs? price means nothing since i'd just pirate it mind you, i just want the best modelling program to do stuff in. like flexible complex modelling of organic and hard surfaces. if it's actually capable of 6 million polys easy then that seems to be the case but i don't wanna give the benefit of the doubt to OP.

>>679246

You cant really beat XSI for subd stuff, even if the tools are the same everywhere, the workflow just doesnt get in your way. Plus the preview runs the fastest even when you dont have a video card.

>>679292
Is there a drastic difference between 2015 and older versions? Also how's ice? My main goal is to make game assets.

>>679430
7.0 to 2015 are pretty much the same except the newer versions have ICE modeling which is like houdini's approach but more limited.
IIRC ICE was used for realtime muscle rigging since it was fully multithreaded it ran fast af.

>>679434
Damn really? The more I hear about it the more I wanna go into it's depths. Do you code compounds in ice itself? What languages does it support?

>>679444
It was mainly noding but you could create your own compound nodes, plus a lot of stuff was already built in the default nodes like IK and things like that.

>>679463
How fast are the simulation components and particle systems compared to modern counterparts in say Houdini? I'm mostly interested in a smooth but flexible workflow and there seems to be a lot of files for different methods of solving particles and modifying geometry. Then there's the integration of mental ray which I'm also curious about because there's a claim it's super fast . is that worth looking into as well?

>>679464
>mental ray
it's highly outdated and you should avoid it like genital herpes

>>679465
But why? What's wrong with it being outdated if I'm only learning the basics anyway? Its not like him gonna be doing photorealism on my pc in a short period of time. Id like to learn more about how sharers and stuff work too and I figured mental ray I'd fleshed out with it's history to where I can learn a lot.

>>679467
If it's not for actual production and more for learning the basics I guess it would be alright then..

>>679464
Simulations ran fast as hell if you did them in ICE, but still they lack some tools compared to houdini since XSI was mostly for animation, rigging and camera mapping traditionally.
The mentalray implementation was real good in the sense that the render tree was 100% integrated with it, although when I was working with XSI we used mostly 3delight which IIRC you can no longer get since they became some faggy cloud renderer.

>>679018
I'd like to preface that all Blendets and all Autofags are both retards and 3D as a whole needs to die so we don't get any more of these retarded arguments.

Hell, get 4Chan to die while we're at it. That's mainly where I see all this shit.

>>679478
>3D as a whole needs to die
say goodbye to all your favourite movies and games then

>>679513
Did you just assume my cinematic taste? All my favorite films are from before the 50s, and I the only games I play are physical board games, you filthy millennial-normative.

>>679518
then why are you even on this board? what compels you to pursue discussions on shit you hate?

>>679518
top fucking zozzle

>>679513
Eh, I can live without movies or games.

If not 3D as a whole, then just /3/. Not even /co/ is this autistic over 3d animation, and they bitch about Pixar and DreamWorks all day long.

>>678868
kys you're retarded

Vitaly Bulgarov still uses xsi to this day. Pretty sure capcom are still using it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_NsaIxiLho

>>677621

I'm working on a fan-DLC for a ps2 game using old workflows. I'm using softimage for increased immersion, it's amazing. Fuck autodesk.

>>680521
xsi modtool? Also which game?

>>680398

No you're retarded you blendlet prick.

>>680524

Nah the real softimage 2015.

>>677875

Blender is inherently jewish

>>680537
I would like to know more. Please elaborate.

>>680539

Ten Roosendaal is jewish to begin with.

>>680556

Ton*

>>680537
It all makes sense now

>>680537
oh fuck...EVERYTIME

>>681338
Nobody paid attention to your post, so you had to go and quote yourself?

It's been half a decade now...