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>>586659
I'm not going to watch the whole video. I watched 2 and half minutes, and I agree.
If buying expensive equipment is going to help you more money in the long run, then it is worth it.
If it's just a hobby for you, then probably not as much important.

>>586659
Yes

The OP and the first reply are exactly the same as the last time this thread was posted. Hmmm.

On topic: just pirate professional quality tutorials like a gentleman.

>>586664
Not everyone is a petty thief.

>>586669
I agreed with the guy in the video about the importance of paid, quality tutorials so I went ahead and pirated his paid tutorials

>>586672
you are obviously too young to understand how business works
pirating is not a badge of honor, especially when it involves people and their livelihood.
imagine if you had a car dealership and i would simply steal parts from it without you even noticing

>>586672
BlenderGuru has paid tutorials? where?

>>586674
Google architecture academy and nature academy. He also sells his vegetation and rock packs + he has Poliigon website. Architecture academy consists of some pretty useful theory videos, then some series of videos where he makes interior and exterior archviz scenes (eh, nothing special, same quality as you can find on YT), and he also provides a decent amount of textures and 3D models of furniture. All of it can pretty much be learned for free on the internet though.

>>586673
>and i would simply steal parts from it without you even noticing
parts can't be copied for free and tutoricals can, you retard

>>586681
i shouldn't have joined an example because i knew you gonna go super technical as on what is considered morally criminal or not

>>586682
Tha author cant copy the food he would buy with the money he would get from the tutorial sales tho.

>>586683
i give you the option to get a straight A for doing nothing
or study for three weeks.
what would it be?
the principle is not the money, its about choices

>>586684
I dont see any relations from your post to my post

>>586684
Not him but that analogy doesn't work either since what makes doing nothing wrong is that you don't learn anything. If you said that you study for 3 weeks or do nothing and come out with the same information then it works but it's not really that relevant

>>586684
If studying would give more money to the teacher then hell yea study more. It doesnt matter tho cause for the teacher all thats important is the final result

>>586681
Every time it's the same with you pirates; you can't just admit you're worthless thieves.

>>586659
>pirate professional quality tutorials
anon, i don't even know where to begin with your kind.

people like you are the reason that shitty youtube tutorials by teenagers that say "um... like, um..." are still so popular.

>inb4 "interwebz is ocean of piss"

correct!
but you're filling that piss with bacteria.

>>586693
i clicked
>>586664
but it posted as a reply to op.

4chan has been really weird lately.
>set option for "creation date"
>shows threads from 3 mins. ago, then from 10 hours ago, then threads from 10 mins. ago

anybody else having issues?

>>586689
> you're worthless thieves
intellectual property should not be legal

>>586686
>but that analogy doesn't work either
that's because you choose to ignore it.
in your mind pirating =/ stealing. because you look at things in an abstract way.

i know it seem simple now but wait until you are actually selling products or developing anything, you would want your shit to show up at some torrent site. you don't see it this way because you are not in that position yet

>>586708
you don't want*

>>586683
So what? Imagine that some guy doesn't buy his tutorial to buy food and doesn't make a masterpiece he could make if it was free. And why do you think that some retard's wealth is more important than success of art in common?

>>586711
>And why do you think that some retard's wealth is more important than success of art in common?
Because that retard is the one teaching the younger generation to become good artists and if he starves to death there will be no one to teach them.

>>586727
Lol, you don't pay people who write scientific articles, you only pay a bit for subscription and yet noone starved. Are you trying to tell me that 3d artists are poor people who have no money except money for tutorials? Of course they do and if they want more then they are just dicks.

>>586693
>>586703
>>586711
>>586728
If the 3D community was full of idiotic, cheap thieves like yourself, professionals wouldn't bother making professional standard courses, and we'd be left with nothing but amateur tutorials on youtube with no quality standards.

>>586659
Paid tutorials are usually superior, but andrew price has no business making a video like this, seeing as he sells paid tutorials.
it would be like going to a car salesman and asking them if you should buy a new car from them or use the free one your friend loaned you. no shit the salesman is going to try to get you to buy a car.

doesn't mean the salesman isn't right. maybe the loaner car is a piece of shit, but you'll never know if he's being genuine because it's literally his job to sell you stuff.

>>586659
This entire discussion is tainted by Andrew Price being a shitty artist. Imagine this argument being said by anyone else but him and it begins to make sense.

>>586800
>it would be like going to a car salesman and asking them if you should buy a new car from them or use the free one your friend loaned you. no shit the salesman is going to try to get you to buy a car.
To be fair, he puts out a lot of free tutorials on Youtube, and they're among the best free tutorials available, at least for beginners.
He also didn't directly promote anything he sells.

>>586803
Some of his stuff looks great. Like mars

>>586659
Yes.

>>586776
>some people unironically believe this bullshit
You didn't actually answer what I posted. Please bother to explain how you can become sceintist, mathematician, phylosopher, programmer, sys admin, artist, writer (almost anyone) without paying money and you can't become 3d designer without it?
>If the 3D community was full of idiotic, cheap thieves like yourself
Unfortunately it's full of greedy people and retarded cucks like you who literally can't understand why paying for information is cuckoldry

>>586659
He's right, but the irony levels are going through the roof. For someone who stresses the importance of professional workflow techniques, he didn't even know how to dissolve edges/verts in his recent anvil tutorial.

>>586843
>the pathetic thief is still at it
Jesus, talk about desperation. How many times does it need to be spelled out for you?

Sites like GnomonWorkshop wouldn't be able to hire industry professionals or maintain a high standard in their courses if they weren't generating income. Again, if the 3D community was filled with pathetic thieves like yourself, we'd be stuck with nothing but amateur tutorials on youtube.

>>586848
>How many times does it need to be spelled out for you?
>Sites like GnomonWorkshop wouldn't be able to hire industry professionals or maintain a high standard in their courses if they weren't generating income. Again, if the 3D community was filled with pathetic thieves like yourself, we'd be stuck with nothing but amateur tutorials on youtube.
What king of retard you need to be to repeat the same statement while completely ignoring all the arguments provided? What will be next? You'll post this shit written with bold text? Learn how to argue.

>>586850
>still crying like a bitch over correctly being labeled a thief
You lost, idiot. You don't even have any arguments. Sometimes you just need to admit to yourself you're pathetic and want everything in life for free.

>>586851
man, you are really stupid
>over correctly being labeled a thief
Never denied that according to law it's theft. Why should I care about the law?
>You don't even have any arguments.
Here they were >>586843
>you're pathetic and want everything in life for free
Completely wrong, I want it for common good, not for my own. Also I'm ready to give away in the same way.

Some 3D artists even encourage young up-and-coming artists to pirate their courses until they can get a job in the industry and pay everything back, because they know the struggle.

I'll just say that if I had to save up money to buy a new piece of software every few months, I would be far behind the learning point I'm at right now. I tried out and learned a lot of industry standard software already, and without torrents, I'd still be modeling shitty low-poly houses and Lego people in Blender like many people on this board.

One important thing, though - software aside, from my experience, I didn't go through a lot of paid tutorials that I think were worth it. There are really really good teachers on YT, and you really can learn everything for free there. Yes, a lot of shitty videos as well, but also a lot of good ones. You just have to spend some time and find them. And not only did I find some paid tutorials not worth it - some of them were even worse than what you can find on YT. Especially be careful of Lynda and Udemy. And to be honest, even a lot of Gnomon Workshop's ones weren't that great. Maybe because I already knew a lot of the stuff they thought there (which I learned on the internet for free), but they really weren't as life-changing and awesome as I expected them to be.

P.S. I think you can find some really good stuff on Gumroad though, and I have to use this post to recommend Redbeard. By far the best 3D tutorial series I have ever gone through, and if you are into this style, I think this is the best possible resource, and totally worth the price.

https://gumroad.com/redbeard

>>586853
>Never denied
All done here then, my pathetic little idiot.

>>586856
>Yes, a lot of shitty videos as well, but also a lot of good ones. You just have to spend some time and find them
You're missing the point. Andrew reiterated numerous times there are great tutorials on youtube, but it's too time consuming to sift through everything and find all the good stuff, whereas subscription based websites will always maintain a high standard, and only employ industry professionals.

>>586858
It doesn't take that much time, lol, and I already said that even paid services are not always the best. That's why forums exist, where you can get good direction and resources, fast.

>>586860
>It doesn't take that much time, lol
Easy to say.

>That's why forums exist, where you can get good direction and resources, fast
Except they can also give you shit direction. There's a long list of bad tutorials on youtube which have a huge amount of views and likes, and very little scrutiny in the comments.

Are all paid tutorials great? Not necessarily, but the standards will always be higher than they are on Youtube.

>>586857
>All done here then

>no arguments
>too stupid to understand what he is told
>looks like complete idiot
>tries to escape conversation is shame
Lol, so this is how the average anti-piracy retard looks?

His asymmetric facial features freak me out

>>586864
Let's agree that we disagree. In short - spend all the money you want on paid services, but I believe you won't benefit more in any way than someone who learns from good free sources. There are plenty of experienced professionals who make tutorials on YT, just like they do at Gnomon Workshop.

>>586906
Eh. I'd do things for him while he's playing around with Blender.

>>586911
>There are plenty of experienced professionals who make tutorials on YT, just like they do at Gnomon Workshop.
Where they have no standards to abide by, and as a result, the tutorials are usually worse.

>>586659
ITT:stealing car parts is bad!

>>586955
Nobody cares, thief.

Who let the fucking communist in here?

>>586921
Nope. SImply not true.

>>586983
>no argument
No problem. Idiots like yourself never win.

>>586988
>Arrimus3D
>ChamferZone
>Tor Frick
>BlenderGuru
>Gleb Alexandrov
>quixel
>Unreal Engine
>Denis Keman
>Mograph Plus
>YanSculpts
>Michael Pavlovich
>Pixologic
>Allegorithmic
>AgenZasBrothers
>Mind Games Interactive
>VirtusLearningHub
>PyroDev
>Dean Ashford
>Fabrice Bourrelly
>Futurepoly
>Gnomon (!)
>CGGeek
>The 3D Tutor
>Mike Hermes
>Remington Graphics
>4DVisual
>CGMasterAcademy
>WorldffLevelDesign
>80lv
>Matthew Palaje
>Mathew Wadstein

Just to name a few of my YT subscriptions. Given the insults and the way you write, I know you will still say that you win. I didn't want to bother with writing a lengthy post specifically for this reason, but fuck it.

All of them are on the same level of an average Gnomon Workshop course. And I'll mention some paid courses which I think are not worth it.

>Creating Believable 3D Environments: The Making of "Unmystified" with Seth Thompson

... Ok, I don't have enough time right now to search for them because I forgot the names, but a lot of archviz and UE4 interior tutorials from Lynda, Digital Tutors, Udemy, Udacity are really bad, and you can even see from their renders that they look amateur as fuck. I just mentioned this tutorial from Gnomon Workshop where the guy had really disorganized content, didn't start from scratch and half of his videos were usually sped up workflows with some disgusting fantasy metal music or whatever.

Oh, and some more from Gnomon - those courses that teach you texturing in Quixel/SP and what not - they are literally nothing better than the free courses you can watch on quixel and Allegorithmic YT channel. They don't provide any more details and explanations you can't learn from other places for free. And I also watched some Zbrush tutorials from Gnomon Workshop, also didn't learn anything I couldn't learn from people like Michael Pavlovich and similar. I can continue, but I feel you still won't change your mind, so I at least hope some lurker will find this list useful.

>>586990
great post, you win.
I have come to the same conclusion.
I am a poor guy so i don't have the money to buy expensive tutorials, but when i did buy something it was always a disappointment.
I eventually stopped even pirating them because in most cases i could find something for free which was good enough for me to learn the specific topic.

No amount of tutorials, free or paid, can fix broken software like Blender.

He's right, but I find the whole
>wow you guys being impressed by my business expenditures is deeply concerning to me
to be bullshit and disingenuous

you're giving a lecture to a bunch of fucking students. The notion that you can't remember a time where dropping 5 grand on a rendering pipeline not including licensing costs is fucking absurd to me. They're not impressed because they would never spend that, they're impressed because right now they can't. It's why people learn on pirated software, and render on subpar hardware, full stop. Everyone in that room, if they suddenly had a client list who would hit them up on a monthly basis, would immediately be dropping the cash to build a new PC from scratch.

>>586659
gave it a dislike and closed the video , tldr ? i dont have time to waste on nobodies on youtube trying to act like industry professionals
hes not alex alvarez or zdzisław beksińskí

>>586673
>you are obviously too young to understand how business works
and so are you aparently
i dont make my money from tutorials mainly
they are like any buisnessmans repertoire, an extra income
you dont seem to undertand how the world really works , probably some first world babydrama tier cuck

>>587014
tldr, buy expensive things, says the man who sells expensive things.

>>586776
>there was no such thing as teaching before our creation of IP law
get fucked.

>>587096
>thief still getting asspained
Nobody cares you worthless commo.

>>586990
>Just to name a few of my YT subscriptions
Not an argument, idiot.

>All of them are on the same level of an average Gnomon Workshop course
Based on what? Your opinion?
Yeah, I'm sure that'll convince everyone.

>>587014
But he sells materials professionally? Also, he's actually in LA now and did interviews with Alex Alvarez, the Barnstorm VFX guys, Ton Roosendaal, Efflam Mercier among others.

You might not like him, but he's far more relevant than a nobody like yourself.

>>587099
Don't bother, there are a few ultra salty bastards incapable of having a normal conversation ITT.

>>586659
He's more right than he wrong and discloses he sells products, if you can't think about what he says after because of this then you shouldn't be talking.

There are so many good resources out there for free that it is easy to say that you never need to buy anything. However, I think paid content shines in a few areas (add-ons excluded, those are absolutely worth money and usually reasonably priced). For absolute beginners, I think it is easier to get them to follow a course that lays out the basics of a program with exercises as opposed to following one of equal quality on youtube. Some people need financial investment in order to become motivated. On the other end of the spectrum are master class-level courses that you're going to have a hard time finding anything about unless you pay for it or they did a conference presentation. In between, you are many times better off with Youtube or figuring out the program on your own.

I think Gumroad is a great alternative, I've bought mainly add-ons there but also some tutorials that were "name your price" while also being offered as free. I think these are works of passion that tend to have more thought put into them than the slapdash dreck training websites tend to put together. A lot of tutorials that I've seen from Gnomon, Digital Tutors, Pluralsight, Lynda, etc. are the bare minimum put out by someone seemingly to get a pay check. The Substance Painter/Designer tutorials on the official channel are better at explaining every step in far more detail than the paid tutorials I've seen. It comes down to evaluating what's best for you: I know I can learn from Youtube tutorials by Chamferzone that aren't using my 3d package, but I can apply the knowledge anyway. Some people don't want to "waste" time finding tutorials, so if they want to pay money then I don't have a problem with it. I think Andrew's video can start good discussion yet the people it's targeted at are not the best listeners or most logical thinkers.

>>587097
>no way to address the actual point
I can't even feign surprise

What about this video? Is he right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM39qhXle4g

>>587176
Yes, he is right. That's a good video, I remember watching it just when I started learning 3D.

>>587176
aaaw yeah, I remember this video, good watch
(yeah he's right)
thanks

>>587176
How can one man be so based?

>>587098
>anon posts proof
>hurr durr not an argument, these youtube teachers are shit even though I didn't check it and I will keep my answer short to show that I have won!

>>587176
Is there a mirror of this? It's blocked for me

>>587528
use something like this:
https://www.proxfree.com/youtube-proxy.php
https://www.proxysite.com/youtube/

>>587528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEhb1_OdcY
https://www.blenderguru.com/articles/7-habits-highly-effective-artists-bcon-2016

>>586659

>>587539
>>587176
this was a good video

>>587541
i love this artist, but i can never remember that polish name.

>>587564
zdzislaw beksinski
hes one of the greats of the last 100 years for me

>>587571
On top of never remembering his name, i can also never spell it correctly.
But yeah he is great.
Beksinski, Max Ernst and H.R.Giger is the trinity of creepy surreal nightmares for me.

>>586659
Yep

>>586672
I steal what I desperately need, then pay after if it helps.

>>586808
>1 color
>randomly generated everything

Yeah, great.

Yes lets all take advice about his product placement on using a FOSS product made by the effort of countless people trying to bring 3D to the masses.

>someone on youtube has an opinion
nope. don't give a FUCK.

so tired of politics and opinions and top-tens and clickbait and everything else that makes youtube and "social media" cancer

>>586659
> yeah, but cgpeers

>>591832
And failing horribly for more than 15 years.

>>586659
>Price
You mean the guy who flooded the whole Blender scene with people making thousands of renditions of his shitty model?

>>592255
Man, those textures and materials look like ass.

Andrew can make a decent texture, and knows about color theory and lighting, but goddamn if he can't actually use the program for shit. And if he can't use Blender right, then he'll probably be even worse at any other 3D software.

>>592266
That's what you got for free tutorial.
If people want professional course, they need to pay for it.

>>592168
CGPeers doesn't have everything though, and even the most highly demanded stuff takes forever to get uploaded onto there.

>>592268
>professional course
>pay for it

Anon, anything is free when you look hard enough.

>>592294
deep web?

>>592266
Well it's a step-by-step tutorial for the very beginners.
You didn't expect highly detailed realistic stuff, did you?

>>592242
As a Max user I agree.

>>592296
A fucking torrent tracker

can this thread die already?
I'm tired of seeing this stupid face

>>592320
I get that, but he made another one recently with an anvil. Somehow that managed to be more tolerable than the doughnut. Not by much, but at least the final result doesn't look over simplified like that.

>>592296
Torrent sites, man. CGPeers always allows for requests, just be prepared to wait before what you want is uploaded.

>>592340

A stupid face for the guru of a stupid software used by stupid people.

>>592266
How idiotic can you even be? It's called an ABSOLUTE BEGINNER tutorial.

Yes. 90% of Youtube is a joke these days.

>>593969
You're wrong.

>>586659
>Guy who jews people out of their money with paid tuts tries to tell you paid tuts are worth it
He is right, but you still shouldn't pay for them.

>>594006
Between the cringe, shitty conspiricy videos, Spider-Elsa and all those fetish videos, I'd say it's more a 70% than a 90%

Still pretty damn high though.

>>594115
>Spider-Elsa
>Bad

>>593969
>>594006
>>594115
>>594158
People is shit, therefore Youtube is shit.
I rest my case.

>>594161
>Projecting