/3/ - 3DCG

there are plenty of sculptris sculpts on pixologic, go take a look at them and then make that judgement for yourself

In some cases you may just have to give every choice a try and see what works best and what is worth the money. That may mean "temporarily" "borrowing" the "software" to "test it out". I thought Sculptris was free anyway though.

Pirating isn't the same as stealing. Your comparisons don't work, because in those cases, you are stealing something physical, you are actually taking something from someone, depriving them of that meat or $10 bill. With piracy, you are merely saying "well, I can't afford this right now, but I need to use it. Downloading it won't affect the company at all".

Basically, by downloading it, you are not actually TAKING any money from anyone. Not to mention you were never a potential sale for them in the first place, so pirating is no different than you just not using it, in both cases you are not giving them any money.

>>365470
This argument is retarded. Shame.

>>365470

That is a retarded argument. See it on /v/ all the time. Herp derp I didn't steal the game as I was never going to buy it.

>>365471
no it's not.

Pirating software != stealing goods.

Unless you've been brainwashed by this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

Adobe and Microsoft have the most pirated software in the world, yet they earn a shit load of money. You know why? Because they let their users pirate their shit, so they become dependent on it, like drug dealers that gives the first dose for free to the junkies.

Those software companies earn their big bucks selling their licenses to big business/enterprises who have employees that are already familiar to their software, because they already pirated it before.
This is Microsoft's and Adobe's bread and butter are at.

So no, pirating is not bad, not if you are learning though.
If you are a professional and you're making a living with those tools, then yes, you're kind of an asshole.

>>365478
no, pirating software is definetely stealing. It takes a long long long time to write new code and algorithms that does something new and that people want to buy, with minimal bugs. This is definetly theft and its despicable.

>>365478
Go away, leddit.

>>365480
>moralfag

>>365488
>adding fag to the end of a word to be edgy along with a gif

oh to be 15 again.

>>365453
Use the student version of autodesks software for fucks sake!

http://students.autodesk.com/

It's not pirating, it's for education.

>>365489
>pretentious faggot

RANDOM

I like it, I just wish it would have stayed open source instead of being bought out so maybe it could have actually become comparable to zbrush, as blender is to 3ds max or maya

sculptris isn't bad at all. you're the one who's bad

Are you guys fucking idiots?

Sculptris is free and it's a good program.

>>365453
Nothing wrong with Sculptris. Though it doesn't have and retopo or UVing, it's just pure sculpting (and some semi-shitty painting). Blender can retopo okay though. And most other things you want to do, though I don't care for blender much. Too clunky. I don't care for zBrush's interface much either, but I got used to it.

>>365525
>>365527
>>365532
>shill

>>365478
I partially agree with this anon. In a competing market, pirating can be used to advertised and gain adopters to your product. Take for instance AutoDesk, the day their software is released. The cracked version is readily available the same day.

>>365472
It's true if i didn't enjoy it and deleted it immediately after trying, like latest AssCreed for example. No sale. Only difference being me downloading it and pressing delete afterwards, instead of buying and going through the hoops to get my money back, assuming i would get it back at all.

>>365453
the never ending cycle...

CAPS NAZI MODE ON:

IT DEPENDS ON YOU, YOU DONT NEED A $1000000000000000 SOFTWARE TO MAKE SOMETHING GOOD.

now: If you wanna depend on tools that make your work easier then you just need to buy a software :3

passive aggresive answer for op

>>365538
Do you even know what that word means, or did you hear other people saying it and wanted to fit in? Sculptris is owned by pixologic now, they gain nothing by having people download that over zBrush.

I use zBrush too. But sculptris is more fun to start shit out in for me.

>>365608
>Pixologic shill

>>365637
>Open Source shitware shill

How are you stealing from a company if you never had the money to acquire their product?

>>365647
Also I'm pretty sure Pixologic will go bankrupt and many families will starve if some kid pirates their software to make shitty sculptures.

>>365647
> How are you stealing from a company if you never had the money to acquire their product but you acquire it by breaking the law?

fix'd that for ya son

>>365650
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR

>>365650
Who are you hurting by breaking this law?

>>365650
>> How are you stealing from a company if you never had the money to acquire their product but you acquire it by breaking the law?
DISINFO ALERT!
DISINFO ALERT!
DISINFO ALERT!
DISINFO ALERT!
He works for the MPPA!!!

>>365658
Look, if you dont have money for a book or a cd, you save up for it and then buy it. You hurt the store selling it and the person who made it by stealing and not saving up. You need to learn the value of hard work and obey all laws.

>>365661
Yeah! Is not like the corporations win MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF MILLIONS
And then jail some single mother for downloading lady gaga

>>365661
what an idealistic world you live in, my friend.

>>365661
Specially when it comes to music, books, cinema, etc. piracy actually works as a filter. The valuable works will get more exposure and will get the recognition they wouldn't get if they were dependent on the middle man like in the old days.

About the software, this is targeted at professionals and OP doesn't seem like a professional or else this wouldn't even be an issue. No one expects someone who wants to play around in zbrush or edit the weekend photos in photoshop to play a considerable amount of money.

>>365675
You need to save up. Back in the day it was called getting a job. If you dont have one, dont start breaking the law or continue to break it, because it will catch up with you.

>>365678
Alright, I was trying to give my honest opinion, if you don't even bother reading and interpreting my reply properly, or are just trolling, sweet dreams bye.

>>365679
your posts are encouraging breaking the law and when I say not to and save up, you accuse me of trolling. Punishment will find you.

>>365678
>>365682

Dude, give up.

You won't stop piracy with your moralfaggotry about hobbyists saving up money to purchase a 500$+ dollars software.

There's a reason why they pirate their soft; they aren't pro.
They don't make a living with it, and they don't know if they ever will.

Also a lot of them are young people. Purchasing this kind of software is a big commitment. More if their money is tight as fuck, which is likely to be the most common case.

Piracy is a gateway to learn these tools.

>>365683
>There's a reason why they pirate their soft; they aren't pro.

Nope. They choose to pirate and break the law when legal alternatives to zbrush are available, namely student mudbox 2014 which has quick retopo. For no reason is breaking the law acceptable, be it downloading a song or an application. Learn the value of hard work and obey the law.

>>365686
Robin Hood

>>365686

I prefer to buy my music, licenses, games, ect. but a lot of shit is still unavailable. quality games, albums, programs arent even on the market anymore, or in scarce quantity, so downloading becomes the only means of acquiring certain shit.

I feel that zbrush in particular should really have a non-commercial/ hobby license more reasonably priced. Same goes for maya. These are clearly industry essentials, I'm sure any hobbyist would kick out $80 for either of them.

>>365688
> Same goes for maya. These are clearly industry essentials, I'm sure any hobbyist would kick out $80 for either of them.

Maya student license resets for 3 years with each release of a yearly version that you download so your trial is in fact infinite as a hobbyist (as long as you dont profit from it in any way, directly or indirectly in which case you must pay)

I thought they WANTED people to pirate their software and get good with it, because consumer purchases are really just chump change compared to deals with studios and shit.

>>365696
Autodesk gives you the full version of all their software with no limits (no profiting off of it)

>>365682
>Punishment will find you.
Wouldn't it serve "the law" better to go after tax evaders and crooked wallstreet CEOs and insiders raking in millions doing dirty deals?

Work hard, work hard they say. Meanwhile Ex Xbone boss Don Mattrick is jumping from one sinking ship, the X-box division he ruined to another sinking ship, Zynga. And he's getting a $5 million bonus.

>>365699
>implying they don't profit from licensing fees from learning books and tutorials.

A good example is 3DMax, the reason Autodesk has been able to monopolized the whole 3D market. All because it was the most pirated software in Asia and Europe in the 90's.

>>365703
I dont think autodesk execs will agree with that nor will anyone with a sane mind. 3ds MAX is a great product and made its way on its own, not because of some hacker adjusting a byte.

>>365710

>salty moralfag because he pays all of his legit soft while others are saving money and making big bucks pirating their shit

>>365718
If you want to save money, use blender dynotopo or sculptris. You can get into the industry that way where they have legal seats.

>>365471
>calls argument retarded
>doesn't give reasoning why

Here, let me try and simplify this even more for you. The difference between piracy and stealing:

John doesn't have enough money for food, so he steals some from someone else. Those people no longer have that food.
-This is theft.

John doesn't have enough money for ZBrush. John downloads ZBrush for free so he can use it until he can afford it. Nobody has been deprived of anything here.
-This is piracy.

Life isn't all black & white all the time, use your brain. Sure, if you can absolutely afford the software, and are actually using it, then you are a thief and scum. But if you cannot actually afford it yet, there was no fucking harm done to ANYONE. And in fact, you are now likely to be a future customer due to being able to use the software when you couldn't afford it.

>>365724
>John doesn't have enough money for ZBrush. John downloads ZBrush for free so he can use it until he can afford it. Nobody has been deprived of anything here.

If you want to sculpt, you can use blender dynotopo, mudbox student version 2014 with autotopo, sculptris, or buy the hobbyist edition of 3d coat. You can get into the industry with any of those softwares. Zbrush isnt some magic that makes youngsters have to steal it to get in. Use your brain and obey the law.

>>365722
>You can get into the industry that way where they have legal seats.

lol, there's even a lot of studios that pirate software.

Clueless tool

>>365734
Any studio that uses pirated software needs to be ratted out and reported, from the inside.

>THELAW
Kill yourself. Everyone who ever got good started out with piracy.

They learned shit when they were poor because they thought gaming or whatever else was a waste of time.

Why would you pay for software if you're not selling your work?

You let me learn that shit for free, I'll buy it when I turn pro out of dependancy.

That's Adobe's entire business model.

>>365678
>>365682
>>365686
>>365690
>>365699
>>365710
>>365722
>>365733
>>365739

>troll

>>365740
>Why would you pay for software if you're not selling your work?

Obey the law and use the student version of autodesk products or other software within your budget until you're good enough to enter the industry and fill a paid seat. All autodesk student versions have everything included including c++ api. Do not steal software.

>>365733
That's not the same, and you know it. Those things do not have anywhere near the same time saving tools that you want to learn for an industry workflow. It's not logical to learn to use something subpar when you'll have to be using something else when you apply for those jobs.

There are lots of "laws" that millions of people break every day, because they are either old and outdated, or put in place by idiotic old folk with old timey values, like cannabis being illegal. I BETTER NOT SMOKE IT MAN, IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL! SHIT!

>>365757
> It's not logical to learn to use something subpar when you'll have to be using something else when you apply for those jobs.

Mudbox 2014 autotopo is great. Use it. People got into the industry without zremesher and qremesher, so so can you. Its not the tool, its the artist. If you really want zbrush you can sell plasma for a month. Each trip lasts for an hour and gets you $60 dollars from their ATM. You need to pass an AIDS test first.

>marijuana being illegal
Pot is illegal for a reason. For one, every time you smoke it, you hallucinate. Its a hallucinogen and also has been known to slow down peoples perception of time. This needs to be kept away from people at all costs.

>>365757
> It's not logical to learn to use something subpar when you'll have to be using something else when you apply for those jobs.

Mudbox 2014 autotopo is fantastic. Use it. People got into the industry without zremesher and qremesher, so so can you. Remember - its not the tool, its the artist.

If you really want zbrush you can sell plasma for a month. Each trip lasts for an hour and gets you $60 dollars from their ATM. You need to pass an AIDS test first.

>marijuana being illegal
Pot is illegal for a reason. For one, every time you smoke it, you hallucinate. Its a hallucinogen and also has been known to slow down peoples perception of time. This needs to be kept away from people at all costs (unless its legalized in your state for medical use)

>>365763

What is your opinion about PRISMA?
Is the government right about spying on its citizen?

I must know

>>365767
We need to keep criminals off the streets. If they leave breadcrumbs online that shows their misdeeds, they should be prosecuted.

>>365763
>For one, every time you smoke it, you hallucinate. Its a hallucinogen and also has been known to slow down peoples perception of time.
>This needs to be kept away from people at all costs (unless its legalized in your state for medical use)

Ok, you have officially revealed yourself as either a troll or a major nut-case. You've clearly never used cannabis. Also, it's legal to consume in some countries and states, for enjoyment, so you just went full retard.

>>365772
It's pretty evident that he's trolling

>defending legit software, anti cannabis, pro PRISM.

Yup, troll

Moving along, nothing to see here

Sculptris has an awesome interface. You can spend 5 minutes playing with it and have 90% of the program figured out. It's good for fast organic sculpts. Sadly it is buggy as fuck and there will never be another update for it. Pixologic bought it for one reason and one reason only, they were worried that the author was going to make it open source (which he was if he couldn't find a buyer to take over since he had no more time to develop it). He sold it to Pixologic on condition that it remain freeware but sadly he put no condition on it that they continue to update it. Once Pixologic got it they stopped all development on it.

It's a pity it was sold to PIxologic instead of becoming open source because with some bug fixes and a few more basic features added to it it would have been a hell of a piece of software.

But yes, it's free, easy to use, and free.

I could give less of a shit how much overpriced software you get off Piratebay, but I'd like to say that I've yet to see any potfag do anything but sit on their ass all day and bitch at other people for actually doing anything with their life.

And no, being in college on your mommy's money isn't "doing something".

>>365774
Whatever it takes to get criminals away from our communites and pt behind bars or made to face the music with fines, the better. Believing in the laws of the US doesnt make anyone a troll.

Cannabis? This is definetely a hallucinogen. It makes you hallucinate and time will slow down for you. No over the counter medication does that. Youre not being reasonable when you smoke it - you're playing with other peoples lives. It will never be legalized without a perscription.

>>365808
>Most musicians smoke it
>Make a shit load more money in a year than you'll ever make in a life time

It's an incredibly common drug, it's just that most people, especially those who are successful, don't go around announcing they partake in it, since ya know... It's still illegal most places.

>>365774
I kinda figured that out after noticing the name.
Not cool.

>>365814
You could say the same about cocaine and adderral. Illegal drugs and their manufacturers throw away all of our health and safety protocols, cause addiction, death, and that money flows to other countries where we cant be sure what it funds (weapons, ammunition).

Embrace the law and drink alcohol only (if you're over the age of 21).

>>365811
>>365816
>2013
>Not living in a state where weed is legal or having your medical card
ishiggyduwopwigglediggy

..now excuse me while I enjoy my hash

>>365821
>where weed is legal
Marijuana is not legal in any state. You cant sell it on the street.

>..now excuse me while I enjoy my hash.
You need to have a serious medical condition for that. You also get a second doctor to evaluate you to make sure the first diagnosis isnt bogus and make sure that you arent breaking the law and cheating the system. Additionally, that pot is your alone. If you let someone else use it, you will be arrested for distributing a controlled substance.

>>365824
Marijuana is legal by state laws in 2 states but still covered by federal laws. It is legal for medical purposes in a few as well, and cards are easy to get ahold of

>>366134
You can't go to a store without a card and buy marijuana - in any state. Its not legal. Its a controlled substance like oxycontin. Lord help us it stays that way or this whole country is doomed.

>>365816
Because we obviously don't have hundreds of addiction clinics dealing with alcohol addiction. We don't annually have hundreds of thousands of domestic violence disputes being reported with alcohol being the contributing factor. We don't have thousands of people dying every year from drunk driving and other activities, or even alcohol poisoning... Nope. Alcohol is perfectly fine.

Use your brain, kid. There are 0 reported deaths caused by cannabis alone. Even smoking it, it baffled scientists why cannabis smokers were not getting lung cancer, while having more carcinogens than cigs, yet cig smokers do get cancer.

Cannabis is a perfectly safe plant to consume, it is not addiction or physical dependance forming, nor does it cloud your senses in a way that causes you to harm others.

>>366136
>Cannabis is a perfectly safe plant to consume, it is not addiction or physical dependance forming, nor does it cloud your senses in a way that causes you to harm others.

Hippy shut up. A marijuana smoker takes 5 big hits from a bong, waits a few minutes for it to kick in, then gets into a car and is so out of it that he runs over my kid playing in front of my house. I never want to see another doped up red eyed pot smoker ever again.

>>366137
That never happens, and if it did, that's more so a problem with an idiotic person. Cannabis makes you more cautious, you don't go speeding while on it. How about instead of taking out a personal vendetta against a harmless plant and wanting millions upon millions of people's lives to be wrecked because it's illegal, you hate the person who acted like an idiot. It could have even more easily been a person who decided to get drunk and then drive, you're not thinking about it logically.

>>366142
>canabbis makes you more cautious

Dont you ever pretend like marijuana is a 'safe' drug. It causes hallucinations, slower reaction time, perception of time slowing down, and is definetely a gateway drug to hard drugs like painkillers.

>>366142
>that never happens
>and if it did....
>canabbis makes you more cautious

Dont you ever pretend like marijuana is a 'safe' drug. It causes hallucinations, slower reaction time, perception of time slowing down, and is definetely a gateway drug to hard drugs like painkillers.

>>365470

It is NOT retarded. For commercial software used with commercial goals, piracy is many times good.


Why do you think Adobe never goes after students? Because they make Photoshop and their suite standard.

IIRC Sculptris is free... but for home uses and for a kid (like OP most certainly is) I not only doubt Pixologic cares, but I'm pretty sure they'd love you to use their stuff.

You are not stealing from them. In any case, you are learning to use their software, and training yourself as a professional who will, in time, opt for their stuff due to being used to it, or flat out buy it because you have a client.

It's in cases like this when piracy is a really bad term.

If you play bioshock for free, that's it. You'll never need it again. If you use ZBrush for 5 years at home to make dragon ball figurines and eventually master it... and get a job in the industry, I'm pretty sure Pixologic would be very happy.

also: I feel ill if I pirate? you're gonna have a haaaard time in life.

>>366147
>For commercial software used with commercial goals, piracy is many times good.

>If you play bioshock for free, that's it. You'll never need it again.

Just because something is entertainment doesnt mean it can be stolen willy-nilly by teenagers. You dont print out fake movie tickets and enter the theater saying you bought them in advance, would you? That would be against the law. Same deal here.

People are still replying to THETROLL?
lulz

>>366144
Yeahh... no it's not. It's no more a gateway drug than alcohol is. The problem is that it's illegal and sold by the same people who push harder drugs. The fact that you think society is better off with it being illegal, shows how stupid and out of touch with reality you are. Not to mention it shows you've never really used marijuana, but all you've read are the "potential side effects" list. You don't see floating elephants and random other shit, that's what LSD does, not cannabis. It's labeled hallucinogenic by a technicality, it is nothing like LSD.

>>366173
>Yeahh... no it's not. It's no more a gateway drug than alcohol is. The problem is that it's illegal and sold by the same people who push harder drugs.

Marijuana is sold by drug dealers who often have cocaine, xanax, percocet, heroin on them or closeby and actively try to sell the marijuana user these things at the time of purchase, at any age.

This is the very definition of a gateway drug. On the other hand if you buy alchol at a store, you are encouraged to buy things like milk and gum and are always made to show that you are in fact over 21.

>The fact that you think society is better off with it being illegal, shows how stupid and out of touch with reality you are.

Read the above and try to find the irony of this statement. You need to stop smoking pot. You're showing signs of abuse.

>>366174

>Read the above and try to find the irony of this statement. You need to stop smoking pot. You're showing signs of abuse.
Hahaha wow, did you even read what you wrote there? All you did was argue the same point I was. That it's the ILLEGALITY of cannabis that can make it a gateway drug in a sense, but that's not the definition of a gateway drug alone. A gateway drug is something that stops being effective enough for the person and eventually has them feel as though they need to move onto something stronger to fill that need for a buzz. It's been proven time and time again that this does not happen with Cannabis.

>>366148
That's not that same thing at all. You're using the physical facilities, the freaking movie theatre, that is what part of the movie ticket is paying for, not just the movie. Pirating a movie at home will not deprive anyone of anything, and they would never know you pirated it, apart from maybe some download count number they find.

>>366178
>A gateway drug is something that stops being effective enough for the person and eventually has them feel as though they need to move onto something stronger to fill that need for a buzz. It's been proven time and time again that this does not happen with Cannabis.

That may be one definition of the term gateway drug. Its not the only one. A gateway drug is one that leads you to the criminal underworld of other drugs, illegal gun sales and money laundering. This happens with great frequency with marijuana. You buy it from someone you can bet they have a gun on them with no license to carry and that they can get you one too. Dont go by websters dictionary - use your brain. I hope your not stoned right now trying to respond because im stone sober.

This is my final say on the green issue: if you say that its not addictive and a gateway drug, prove it. Give it up for good. I bet you cant and you keep pouring your money and health into it. I warned you.

>>366189
And again, you're not listening to your own words. You're explaining exactly the reason WHY it needs to be legalized and sold in stores, just like Alcohol is. To take it out of the hands of those criminals so that gateway potential isn't there anymore. How do you not understand this?

>>366197
I smoked it for many years as a teenager, buying it by the ounce. But I stopped caring for its experience and stopped using it. I have some in my cabinet that's been sitting there in a jar for about 7 years now.

Cannabis is not addictive, you would know this if you had actually tried some yourself. You do not use it and then the next day go "oh man, I really need my fix", that is why so many people who depend on pain killers see it as a miracle drug for them, because it's safe, relieves their pain, and they don't go through the harsh withdrawal symptoms you do with pain meds. Things like nicotine (which is legal), meth and hell... even fucking CAFFEINE does do that though. Caffeine directly kills thousands of people, much more than the 0 that cannabis does.

>>366227
Fair enough and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion.

Just because i dont smoke doesnt mean Im some clueless retard. Marijuana has a profound disorienting, slowing down time, slowing down reaction, hallucinogenic effect and MEMORY LOSS even with a small amount being smoked. This is not like taking an asprin for pain. There is no situation where it should be able to be bought over the counter without a perscription, especially for young people without ailments.

About your 7 y.o. pot, you need to throw it away and let go.

>>366227
>Caffeine directly kills thousands of people
[citation needed]

>>366247
Its like that episode of the venture bros where Deen finds a bag full of coffee beans, eats them, and becomes a superhero while having diarrhea and vomiting.

>>365480
but it's not

>>366255
So if you can't steal copies, how the fuck can you sell them? Dumbass ledditors on the run again.

>>365480
Pirating is not stealing. Pirating is pirating.

Also, if you make money with said software, there's no reason to not buy it. There's several reasons to pay for software that you use in your business:

1) Using legal copies of software is legal.
2) You are making a profit with it.
3) This is the most important one, if you buy software to use in your business, you can write it off in your taxes.

>>366264
>Pirating is not stealing. Pirating is pirating.

Teenager arguing semantics and websters dictionary definitions on the internet.

>>365478
This guy is right though. Those companies make their profit from Business Licensing, not individual end user sales. Can't recall anyone I've ever known buying a $500+ copy of photoshop just to mess around with. Why else do you think it's so easy to download a trial, get a simple 150kb crack and remove the 30-day limitation? They aren't concerned about that, otherwise they wouldn't even offer trials.

>>366268
>Can't recall anyone I've ever known buying a $500+ copy of photoshop just to mess around with. Why else do you think it's so easy to download a trial, get a simple 150kb crack and remove the 30-day limitation?

Dweller logic hard at werk

>>366247
You've never heard of someone overdosing on caffeine and having a heart attack? It happens. Perhaps not in the thousands, but it happens, and is also doing damage to a lot of people's bodies from overuse.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/business/5-hour-energy-is-cited-in-13-death-reports.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&_r=0

Caffeine is a STIMULANT. If a stimulant is abused, it will fuck you over.

>>366246
>Just because i dont smoke doesnt mean Im some clueless retard.
It does when it comes talking about the effects of cannabis. You're basically listing off a government created "potential side-effects" list without actually understanding what they truly mean from experience. The memory loss is an propaganda myth, and in fact some studies even found that it can help improve brain growth when used in moderation. No, it's not profoundly disorienting, there are sports professionals who have been on it and won, even a pro-snowboarder and that shit requires a great sense of orientation to do all that flipping and spinning in the air. It doesn't slow down time much either, nor reaction time, only when you're relaxing on your couch and joking around, but as soon as you're in a serious situation that requires attention, that goes away for the most part. And again, no, it's not really hallucinogenic, if you tried it you'd know this, your vision is still the same, you're not seeing random shit or things changing color.

Alcohol has incredibly more powerful disorientation effects, very slowed down reaction time, very decreased judgment capabilities which also warp your vision and impaired senses in general. It puts you into a state of much less control and straight thought, MUCH MORE, and you would know this if you tried cannabis... The only significant effects of cannabis are that it makes you relax and laugh, that's about it.

>>366266
Yes, lets just ignore the meaning of words for our own personal bullshit agendas. If anyone is acting like a teenager here, it's you.

>>366287
>hurr durr

>Yes, lets just ignore the meaning of words for our own personal bullshit agendas. If anyone is acting like a teenager here, it's you.

You let some words in the biased webster dictionary define the only meaning of a word that you'll accept. When someone points out the hypocrisy and bias of this, you run screaming. If this makes me a teenager, I dont ever want to grow up.

>>366291
You're choosing to ignore the reality and differences of both situations for your own personal beliefs. This is a definition of ignorance. You are so strongly full of yourself, you are ignoring what everyone else is saying and writing it off as wrong, without giving reasoning why.

>>366293
>you are ignoring what everyone else is saying and writing it off as wrong, without giving reasoning why.

Marijuana is a dangerous drug in multiple ways like Ive laid out over and over again. Read my previous posts.

>>366304
You've not laid out how by itself it is dangerous. You have only implied that it can be slightly dangerous to drive while on it. Can you tell me how the hell that's any different than alcohol? And why it should be treated worse than alcohol, even though alcohol impairs you a HELL OF A LOT more than cannabis? Huh?

Although if you look what posts I was quoting, I was referring to your comments on piracy there.

>>366304
Everyone just ignores your rants because we know you are purposely trying to be an extreme side of the debate, argument or whatever you want to call it simply to better what you want to say and not actually get anywhere with it or to a real point other than what you want to hear, while clearly being irrational and one sided. Not to mention are making bold claims that don't even make sense, like saying alcohol is in ANY way safe or even comparable to weed in side effects that are possible or actually happen simply because it's legal. No one will logically deal with you other than your therapist.


If you're not trolling I feel bad for you.
>now excuse me while I enjoy my kush and hash

>>366312
>You've not laid out how by itself it is dangerous.
Lay out for me how a slowing down senses, reflexes, memory killing, hallucinogenic drug is not dangerous then we'll continue this conversation.

>>366313
>Everyone just ignores your rants because we know you are purposely trying to be an extreme side of the debate,

Since this rhetorical 'everyone' is composed of pot smoking teenagers on 4chin I honestly dont care.

>>366316
>Lay out for me how a slowing down senses, reflexes, memory killing, hallucinogenic drug is not dangerous then we'll continue this conversation
I have, but you just say I'm wrong. I've explained that it's not literally hallucinogenic, definitely not in the way you think it is. It is not memory killing either, nor does it severely slow reflexes or senses down. And I have also explained how Alcohol is so much worse, yet you continue to ignore that fact. As I've said, you cannot claim to know that which you have not tried. It's like saying a food you've never heard of is gross before trying it, there's absolutely no way for you to know that without trying it.

>>366347
You want to know what is a high dose? What teenagers smoke and when they smoke all their weed because they're bored and then they do it the next day and the next and the next and the next for years on end. You are constantly hallucinating to some degree on weed and losing your memory and your reaction speed at the same time. This conversation is over. Marijuana is a dangerous drug and its evangelical advocates are some bunch of deluded losers Ill tell you what. This shit will NEVER be legalized otc with no perscription. Why? Because you dont totally legalize a product that makes people of any age hallucinate!! And you can even get high from the contact smoke. You need to get a fucking clue.

>>366349
It doesn't make you hallucinate you dunce. You've never even smoked it, hollly fucking shit. And how about your provide some proof to back up those claims about memory loss, hmm? Preferbly something not from "typical christian/republican/government interest group", but an actual peer reviewed study.

That image represents you pretty well. Get a load of this guy ignoring the facts and preaching as though he's an expert on a drug he's never used. Ignoring the fact that alcohol is much worse and pretending we didn't even bring up alcohol.

>>366349

Hello Mr. Troll.

I bet you are someone who sat through the D.A.R.E. program and believed every piece of propaganda presented. The fact is, nothing about weed is dangerous aside from maybe the physical smoking aspect if you choose to smoke it. There are foods people eat that are more dangerous and harmful. Weed actually helps people cope with illnesses and helps uptight people loosen up and mellow out. You never hear about people overdosing on weed, you never hear about people using weed who murder people, steal, or commit acts of violence.

But who am I kidding? You are either a troll or hopelessly brainwashed by the government, so whatever, believe what you want.

>>366359
>you never hear about people using weed who murder people, steal, or commit acts of violence.

Wrong. You want to know who smoked weed regularly? James Holmes. Yeah - the dark knight massacre shooter. Tons of killers smoke weed. Get.
Over.
Yourself.
And.
Your.
Stupid.
Plant.

>>366349
Damnit! You're out of your element Donnie!

Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about. Marijuana has no long term memory effects, limtied as fuck hallucinogenic effects (sometimes colors can appear more vibrant, but not by much). You can't get high from 2nd hand smoke unless you're in the tiniest of confined spaces.

Beer makes people of any age drunk - and you can even overdose on it. It's legal. What makes you think marijuana won't be?

>>366361
>allegedly
And I think the implication was that people don't murder or commit acts of violence while high on marijuana. Holmes was on Vicodin - a legal drug - when he killed those people.

>>366365
He was stoned on vicodin and stoned on weed when he slaughtered those innocent people. Your holy drug is nothing more than a sham.

b-but pass the peace pipe. You potheads have serious problems.

>>366369
Nobody has said he was high when he murdered those people. It was only known that he had taken Vicodin. And if I have a holy drug it's not pot, it's alcohol. Marijuana is okay once and a while, but I can't smoke it like some people can. I used to smoke a lot more. By your logic I should've killed tons of people by now.

By the way, these over-the-counter medication you keep talking about... You can OD on every single one of them. You can't OD on pot.

>>366371
>You can OD on every single one of them. You can't OD on pot.

You know what else you cant overdose and die on? LSD. Psilocybin. Peyote. DMT. PCP aka angel dust. You know what these all are?

Hallucinogens. Illegal, dangerous hallucinogens. You can overdose and die on PCP man I swear it! No, not really. Just like with pot if you take too much of it you lose all reasoning and become a danger to yourself and others.

You know what marijuana is? Illegal hallucinogens + memory loss + slower reaction time. I have no sympathy at all for you "midnight" tokers.

>>366372
False analogy. PCP does make you a danger to yourself and others. Pot doesn't. Maybe if you're driving, but that hasn't really been shown to be the case either.

And you keep saying shit like "hallucinogen" and "memory loss", "slowed reaction time". These are damn near lies. Short term memory loss can occur - long term memory loss is unchanged. A change in perception of time can occur too, but it doesn't slow your reaction time. The hallucinogenic effects are ridiculously overplayed - they're minimal at best.

I know you're a troll, but the lies get at me somehow.

>>366373
>And you keep saying shit like "hallucinogen" and "memory loss", "slowed reaction time". These are damn near lies.

>damn near lie
So their not lies.

>I know you're a troll, but the lies get at me somehow.

Someone telling it like it is with multiple examples refuting your every point does not a troll make. B-but it does cause death by OD. B-but my peace pipe. Take it elsewhere, hippies and while your at it, if you have any plants growing in your closet you better remove that shit as well before the police bust in due to a noise complaint or something and follow the smell.

>>366375

sorry i saw this on the front page and laughed so hard. Dude pot is pot nobody goes around high on pot going on murder sprees seeing flying unicorns and cookie monsters chasing them around.

The only murdering pot heads ever do is murdering the god damn fridge. All in all i'll give you a 7/10 for being this troll and or retarded.

>>366376
Columbians say the same thing about cocaine being cocaine and Egyptians the same about heroin being poppies.

>>366379

yeah but theirs a big fucking difference between pot and say cocaine and heroin. From a logical view anyone should understand this.

>>366380
We went over this. Pot is a hallucinogenic drug. Even though you cant OD on it, its in the same category as hallucinogens/dissacociatives like LSD. Psilocybin. Peyote. DMT. PCP aka angel dust.

B-but I cant OD on it, smoke as much as you want
L-l-legalize it. L-legalize everything.

Shut it.

>>366383
Your view of things in this world is so black and white, it's ridiculous. Just because something is labeled "hallucinogenic" does not mean anything. There are different levels/types of hallucinogenic effects. At best, cannabis will make colors a little more vivid, not distorted or anything like you seem to be thinking, THAT'S IT. If you're saying that's somehow a bad thing that makes it deserving of being illegal, then you are so fucking stupid.

Yes, it's in that same category, you know why? Because of the pharmaceutical and prison industry lobbying for it to be. It's been known for a long ass time it does not belong in that category, but the people in power do not want any change to happen, especially considering it would mean a lot of prisons closing down, and a lot of government positions related to the war on pot being closed., along with the generous "donations" those government employees regularly receive.

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god damn you kids, I can't believe you're falling for this troll.

Seriously, stop. You look just as retarded as him:

>>366407
I acknowledged it. Just... The lies. There are people who believe shit like this, though they usually don't harp on it like a retard.

>>365453
I find sculptris quite good, but it crashes too easily to the point I can't really work with it.

I somehow find that blender sculpt needs me to take in account multiresolution too much.

I wish I had money for zbrush, or that there was a good alternative that wasn't over 50$ (I'm extremely poor)

government is not about the truth it's about control. they tell lies to control.

defending legit software is a separatist lie - someone is lucky to be founded by his parents to make his living, and the poor should stay poor coz they'll never get a masterrace job without pirating

>>365661
>BUY DIS FUCKING CD OR U STEELING NIGGER :D:D:D
So because you are a potential customer and found an alternative in a free market economy...you are a thief? Is it theft if you were never a potential customer (i.e. not dishing out 1500 for Autodesk Shit) and don't plan to redistribute the software?

Are people here retarded or something? Arguing whether pirating is stealing or not doesn't prove anything anyway! The real point to consider here is whether you're depriving content makers of their deserved money, which pirating IS. It costs money to make the software and the market is small so the prices are naturally high.

You can pirate if you want and I won't argue about it. Just don't try to justify it and make it sound there's no problem like it's just fine and everybody wins.

OP you feel bad for pirating? Go ahead and use Sculptris and Blender. Show the world that your way works, too.

>>366258
You're not selling the copy, you're selling your labour to people who appreciate it.

>>366361
Tons of killers drink water.
Let's ban water.

>>370808
>depriving content makers of their deserved money

That only applies if the people pirating are individuals who would have certainly bought the product in the first place. That assumes 1. they had the capital to do so and 2. they were willing to part with the capital for the content. If neither of these things are met then even if they pirate it, the content producer technically loses nothing since they were never going to get it in the first place. A person who lacks funds cannot buy a product. A person who does not deem the value of a product equal to its price will not buy a product. If the prices weren't so high, people would probably pay for it, but such obvious price discrimination practices are not usually allowed by law, so they can't just sell it for a lower price to poorer enthusiasts or freelancers.

Also, guys, this thread is all over the place.

>>371035
>A person who lacks funds cannot buy a product.

You're full of shit. If you lack funds, you can
1) sell something
2) save up
3) put it on your credit card
4) get a job and then do 2)


>A person who does not deem the value of a product equal to its price will not buy a product.

What kind of horse shit psychology is this? If you have a degree from a school that taught you this, burn it.